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Scared then in what way exactly

You tell me.

My opinion, as an observer, is United fans of a certain age, (I think you are in that group, remember relegation for example), know, deep down, that United are a cup team in essence. Nowt wrong with that, but after Fergie delivered the genius that he did, you fear that those days as occasional days in the sun will return.

Because of City mainly. And maybe others....
 
You tell me.

My opinion, as an observer, is United fans of a certain age, (I think you are in that group, remember relegation for example), know, deep down, that United are a cup team in essence. Nowt wrong with that, but after Fergie delivered the genius that he did, you fear that those days as occasional days in the sun will return.

Because of City mainly. And maybe others....
Yeah sure i remember relegation and went 26 years without the title until Fergie took us back to the top , listen we dont have a divine right to win anything as for fear whats that about , i think most sport is about trying your best and hoping to successful , as for being a Cup team yes we have done well but also won the title 20 times so its not too bad is it , city never congratulated us on wining anything so dont expect us fawn over them , they have their billions and they are doing well
 
Yeah sure i remember relegation and went 26 years without the title until Fergie took us back to the top , listen we dont have a divine right to win anything as for fear whats that about , i think most sport is about trying your best and hoping to successful , as for being a Cup team yes we have done well but also won the title 20 times so its not too bad is it , city never congratulated us on wining anything so dont expect us fawn over them , they have their billions and they are doing well

I meant that a generation of younger United fans, nurtured on the Fergie years, fear that not coming back anytime soon. Badly worded on my part.

I quite like United as it happens. Part of that is enemy of my enemy thing, but as a spectacle, the teams served up over the years were just great to watch. Like a kettle coming to boiling point at times.
 
Yeah sure i remember relegation and went 26 years without the title until Fergie took us back to the top , listen we dont have a divine right to win anything as for fear whats that about , i think most sport is about trying your best and hoping to successful , as for being a Cup team yes we have done well but also won the title 20 times so its not too bad is it , city never congratulated us on wining anything so dont expect us fawn over them , they have their billions and they are doing well
Your success was built on Fergie and your global support.

Citys success has been built on oil.

Why is 1 thing different from the other?
 

You need to get your facts straight before you start claiming we are whores , listen most United fans dont like our owners i doubt very many football fans do , most of them are only trying to make money for themselves

Its absolutly true, the biggest whores in the modern game, and probably the first to start pimping its butt to anyone who will pay for a feel.

I live in Bolton and worked in Manchester & Alty for near 20 years, I spent that whole time goin to United games in corporate every month & dealing with United directly for work very often, also being surrounded by United fans all the time....I know exactly what the club is about.

Yes nothing illegal, but for any United for to question any clubs money is just pure comedy.

Btw, I do like United and what they have done on the pitch, some United lads are the best I know, top top away crowd too.

EIDT : Also, some of the Charity stories from Man United, you just wont believe.
 
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Your success was built on Fergie and your global support.

Citys success has been built on oil.

Why is 1 thing different from the other?
The global support was built on the back of the Munich air disaster and the way they
treated the families of the dead and the survivors of that tragedy was totally disgraceful.
No other words for it.
 
Oh dear i think you will find most clubs acted that way in those days , playing their players a pittance etc , please spare us your lectures about Munich you need to condemn your fanbase that sung about it for many years , one of your players Frank Swift died as well , and you claim to be all true Mancunians another myth as well
 
This idea that Man U’s day in the sun might be over is a nonsense. There are two clubs (possibly a third in Arsenal) in England that will always be there or thereabouts regardless of their current plight. The name, pulling power, status in the game, and (in financial terms) self generating income, that doesn’t leave.

They’ve been p-ss poorly managed post Fergie, that’s it. Appointing Moyes was a shocking choice by Fergie, a wrecking ball who completely eviscerated all they had built up in record time, and a choice they have compounded by appointing over the hill managers since. They are currently operating without one. Had they hired Poch, or any competent manager who isn’t past it, they’d be in contention (yes they currently sit second, but this ain’t a normal season).
 

This idea that Man U’s day in the sun might be over is a nonsense. There are two clubs (possibly a third in Arsenal) in England that will always be there or thereabouts regardless of their current plight. The name, pulling power, status in the game, and (in financial terms) self generating income, that doesn’t leave.

They’ve been p-ss poorly managed post Fergie, that’s it. Appointing Moyes was a shocking choice by Fergie, a wrecking ball who completely eviscerated all they had built up in record time, and a choice they have compounded by appointing over the hill managers since. They are currently operating without one. Had they hired Poch, or any competent manager who isn’t past it, they’d be in contention (yes they currently sit second, but this ain’t a normal season).
They will be there or thereabouts for the forseeable but they will never get back to the dominance of the Fegusone era. The sun has well and
truly set on that empire. They are a poorly run club fom the very top. No real strategic vision except for how much money they can generate and
how much money they can pull out of the club. They are the new Arsenal. A top four finish to keep the CL money coming in and the occasional domestic trophy to keep the sponsors and armchairs satisfied and they are more than happy.
 
Thing is people will blame OGS but the real villains are the parasites in charge of the club , they have not put a penny in but took millions out for their family etc , these vermin fed off Fergie for a few years 5 titles and the champions league but when he retired the fools were clueless , these people no nothing about football and most United fans despise them and wish they would sell up and leave forever
Agreed. You’ve spent nothing since Fergie left.
 
They will be there or thereabouts for the forseeable but they will never get back to the dominance of the Fegusone era. The sun has well and
truly set on that empire. They are a poorly run club fom the very top. No real strategic vision except for how much money they can generate and
how much money they can pull out of the club. They are the new Arsenal. A top four finish to keep the CL money coming in and the occasional domestic trophy to keep the sponsors and armchairs satisfied and they are more than happy.
It's the natural order of things. When an empire goes into decline, eventually it falls away and becomes less and less relevant.

United under Ferguson had an unparalleled (in my memory in the English league) run at the top - they won 13 titles in around 26 years (I think). The amount of effort to keep that going in a competitive league is immense. To take that over and carry over the level of success is a hell of a tall order. I think they probably needed an insider groomed within the Ferguson regime to carry it on to even to have had a chance at that. Meulesteen and Quieroz all missed out and google tells me that Mike Phelan was the last assistant manager so he wasn't an option and by the end, I think Ferguson was probably wise to go with a well trusted and experienced pair of hands for immediate success rather than gamble on training a successor.

I think City under Pep had identified Arteta but he got his chance early at Arsenal and off he went. That's a problem as if you groom someone who looks like they could take over from an exceptional manager, they'll be in demand before they get their chance at the club who is developing them as that successor.

At a much lower level, we have Duncan Ferguson and Unsworth as potential coaches from within the organisation. I have no idea how they'd do as permanent appointments but at least they would perform caretaking duties. I think we would have to look outside to get a top manager. MInd you Everton haven't climbed to the top of the pile (yet!) to see if that's an issue.
 
It's the natural order of things. When an empire goes into decline, eventually it falls away and becomes less and less relevant.

United under Ferguson had an unparalleled (in my memory in the English league) run at the top - they won 13 titles in around 26 years (I think). The amount of effort to keep that going in a competitive league is immense. To take that over and carry over the level of success is a hell of a tall order. I think they probably needed an insider groomed within the Ferguson regime to carry it on to even to have had a chance at that. Meulesteen and Quieroz all missed out and google tells me that Mike Phelan was the last assistant manager so he wasn't an option and by the end, I think Ferguson was probably wise to go with a well trusted and experienced pair of hands for immediate success rather than gamble on training a successor.

I think City under Pep had identified Arteta but he got his chance early at Arsenal and off he went. That's a problem as if you groom someone who looks like they could take over from an exceptional manager, they'll be in demand before they get their chance at the club who is developing them as that successor.

At a much lower level, we have Duncan Ferguson and Unsworth as potential coaches from within the organisation. I have no idea how they'd do as permanent appointments but at least they would perform caretaking duties. I think we would have to look outside to get a top manager. MInd you Everton haven't climbed to the top of the pile (yet!) to see if that's an issue.
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It's the natural order of things. When an empire goes into decline, eventually it falls away and becomes less and less relevant.

United under Ferguson had an unparalleled (in my memory in the English league) run at the top - they won 13 titles in around 26 years (I think). The amount of effort to keep that going in a competitive league is immense. To take that over and carry over the level of success is a hell of a tall order. I think they probably needed an insider groomed within the Ferguson regime to carry it on to even to have had a chance at that. Meulesteen and Quieroz all missed out and google tells me that Mike Phelan was the last assistant manager so he wasn't an option and by the end, I think Ferguson was probably wise to go with a well trusted and experienced pair of hands for immediate success rather than gamble on training a successor.

I think City under Pep had identified Arteta but he got his chance early at Arsenal and off he went. That's a problem as if you groom someone who looks like they could take over from an exceptional manager, they'll be in demand before they get their chance at the club who is developing them as that successor.

At a much lower level, we have Duncan Ferguson and Unsworth as potential coaches from within the organisation. I have no idea how they'd do as permanent appointments but at least they would perform caretaking duties. I think we would have to look outside to get a top manager. MInd you Everton haven't climbed to the top of the pile (yet!) to see if that's an issue.
Good post.
What amazes me is that everyone knew Ferguson was going to depart sooner rather than later for the last few years and they never really did any proper succession planning at all (or it just appears that way). They actually allowed him to employ his own replacement and you didn't need to be Mystic Meg to know that Moyes was simply not the man for that job. Moyes then proceeded to get rid of the remaining insiders (I would think out of insecurity if nothing else) and the club once again allowed it. Since then they have just hired and fired hoping to get lucky with a half decent manager and again that has failed. As I say, no real footballing strategy or forward planning. I bet FSG already have a few names on their shortlist for when Klopp goes. I think you are right about Arteta and I'm more than certain that City are working on Pep's replacement now. You boys have not done to bad with Ancelotti who would have been ideal for United so you are well on the way. I genuinely hope they keep Ole as long as possible at United he's doing OK ;)
 

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