The incredible thing about the United decline is they have the blueprint from Anfield on what not to do after a long period of success. They appear to be falling into almost every trap that Liverpool did while they stared into the abyss for 28 years & while it may seem along way away now, they are no closer to being back at the pinnacle now than they were under Moyes.
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Made in Asian sweatshops no doubt.
Not forgetting Lukaku.
Pabbers
Player Valuation: £60m
But their money is greener.....blah blah blah
TaffyToffee85
Player Valuation: £950k
.... and the TV money from Sky plus the financial explosion of the Premier League (maybe?).
anxiouswarrior
Player Valuation: £8m
I think its true every club benefits from sky and their money , at this point in time most premier clubs have more money than clubs Germany , Spain , Italy , maybe only PSG , Madrid , Bayern , and Barcelona have more cash , of course covid could have a big effect on this
Exactly. In some ways I feel (feels sick saying it) that the RS were a bit unlucky. They dominated English football for so long with less financial reward. United got lucky in that they came good at the start of the Sky era.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I think to some degree complacency can build in big orgs. Turnover does shield you, but actually I find changes in turnover have a bigger impact.
Like give me an organisation who is growing its turnover year on year from a lower base than one that is losing position from a higher base. When you are for the smaller one, all you are seeing is more people being employed to help, pay rises, extra perks for yourself etc.
In the other org, what you will be seeing is redundancies, no bonuses being paid etc. A culture can turn very quickly. Even if you have less staff, overall you're happier in the smaller growing business.
You see organisation fall off a cliff all the time. You will see business much much bigger, more rooted, more powerful than Manchester United go bust, and people cant get their head around the idea that they wont win a few leagues.
They say apple havent been the same since Jobs died. Probably similar for United.
anxiouswarrior
Player Valuation: £8m
Liverpool were on the slippery slope when sourness took over that was 1990 i think , to sat that United were lucky is not true at all, we had a great manager and top players with a lot of good youth players , this is revisionism at its worse
Not sure you read my post correctly. The RS dominated through the 70s and 80s but the money wasn’t really there. United dominated from the start of the Premiership/Sky when the money was starting to come in. Timing was fortunate. Yes you had a great manager and great players but you had them at the right time. That’s what I mean.
anxiouswarrior
Player Valuation: £8m
Yes i see now that you were correct in that we had the players and manager were there at the right time , there was a financial advantage when home teams kept all receipts i think that started about 88 and sky definitely boomed things uop when they took over the live football, i cant deny that Liverpool had a fantastic team in the late 70s and 80s even though i did not enjoy it much
Toast
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Ex-Manchester United player Ronnie Wallwork fractured man's eye socket in trainers' row
Ronnie Wallwork, who also played for West Bromwich Albion, admitted an assault charge.
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artetas_biggest_fan
Player Valuation: £6m
Nonsense. They were defending champions, and finished 2nd in ‘91 with Souness having taken over a few months before the end of that season. A quality manager who doesn’t wreck what they had built up over the decades, they challenge for the league the following season, and so on.
When you appoint a crap manager (and they’d take heed of not basing ‘success’ in Scotland in regards to the merit of Gerrard) it doesn’t matter what the club has done before, it will fail. Much like Moyes to United, Souness was a one man wrecking ball, an egomaniac who wanted to stamp his own imprint on the club as opposed to maintaining the DNA they had built up over decades. He sold McMahon, Houghton, Beardsley etc, players who should have played alongside Fowler, McManaman, Redknapp etc. to maintain the same winning ethos of the club. A smooth transition of players had been the key to their success over three decades (as it was under Fergie at United). Instead he ripped it all up and started from scratch, changed the DNA, and finished 6th. Staunton, Saunders and Houghton joined Villa and starred in a team that almost won the PL in ‘93.
Moyes made United an expensive version of Wimbledon...bypass midfield, cross, cross, cross. Fellaini is the signing that best encapsulates his failure. More damaging than the change of style was the change in mentality. From believing they were better than anyone under Fergie Moyes instilled fear into the team, best summed up by Rio Ferdinand.
Souness and Moyes have much in common in that they single handedly blew to smithereens dynastys.
PaulPowersTash
Player Valuation: £15m
Also, United floated on the stock market in 1991 and was with those funds that Ferguson went on a spending spree to assemble what at the time was the most expensive team ever in British football.
anxiouswarrior
Player Valuation: £8m
Blackburn were biggest spenders in 92-93 and 93 -94 , Everton were biggest spenders in 94-95 , Newcastle in 95-96 , Newcastle in 96-97 etc you really need to get your facts correct before you post garbage
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