Manchester United

[catcherintherye]

100% agree, especially re standard chartered - for me there are two key issues that I really question

1) the manipulation & brainwashing of fans to defend the in defendable online
2) Betting companies. We will look back on this period of advertising and sponsorship with horrific regret at the damage done

other than that I accept the commercial realities of immoral banks, questionable owners etc. Unfortunately, it is what it is

On both
1) This is often done subtly though isn't it? Nobody connected with the person will say "defend me for x,y,z". They will probably have a friend at government who will ask them for something, they will then spread positives to a certain editor, who will then instruct certain journalists to write certain articles which influence certain fans.
I see similar with things like Standard Chartered. It will not be done explicitly. But actually just allowing your name to be stuck across a shirt of a famous football team (or Vodaphone/AIG with United) does the job for you. It doesn't have to be explicit and it rarely is.

2) Yes I was going to get into betting companies, but felt the post was too long already. But yes there's no doubt they are softening their image via football. No doubt at all. It's all about normalising the idea of gambling and making it seem cuddly and fun (which ironically is what Trump was doing posing for selfies and honoury shirts from the Boston Red Sox owner).

I oppose it. And while of course there are degree of severity, I would hope everyone could say it could all be grouped into the "wrong" category.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Maybe there is some element of truth in the cartel issue but you have been at this 10 years now qualifying every year , why would Uefa attack a club thats not even reached the final yet

Because during that 10 years we have sucked out roughly £500 million.
All of that £500 million has been invested back into the team and the club
to make sure one day (yes - one day!) we do win it.
And on that note, we are back exactly where we started this discussion.
So, I'm out!

 

[anxiouswarrior]

Because during that 10 years we have sucked out roughly £500 million.
All of that £500 million has been invested back into the team and the club
to make sure one day (yes - one day!) we do win it.
And on that note, we are back exactly where we started this discussion.
So, I'm out!

500 milion come on you spent 400 million on defenders in last 3 seasons

 

[LEONARD]

Enjoying this, a bit like West Side Story, but set in Moss Side.

 

[roydo]

500 milion come on you spent 400 million on defenders in last 3 seasons

Been trying to figure out that (PPT) post. Havnt a clue what he means. Like you say, £500m over 10 years on PLAYERS? Not having that.

 

[roydo]

500 milion come on you spent 400 million on defenders in last 3 seasons

Been trying to figure out that (PPT) post. Havnt a clue what he means. Like you say, £500m over 10 years on PLAYERS? Not having that.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Boom. Always funny when the mask slips.

Are you sure? '...Look at four of our five opponents in the CWC win: UCD, Inter Bratislava, Fortuna Sittard and Rapid Vienna...' These are the teams (aside from Bayern Munich) that we beat to lift the European Cup Winners Cup in 1985. Not the RS or anyone else...

 

[anxiouswarrior]

Been trying to figure out that (PPT) post. Havnt a clue what he means. Like you say, £500m over 10 years on PLAYERS? Not having that.

Wacky stuff live 5 mins from the ground and its all very weird , but they wont bother about all that will they, i dont understand though why they are so defensive about the whole set up

 

[roydo]

Wacky stuff live 5 mins from the ground and its all very weird , but they wont bother about all that will they, i dont understand though why they are so defensive about the whole set up

Maybe he meant that City have won £500m over 10 years that would have gone to other clubs? We are all defensive about our club, you included, obvs, but one needs to look at their fault lines as well. Us? Taking the absolute piss out of sponsorship stuff via Uncle Unsie. Arsed? Not a bit.

You? Similar to the RS, ownership/brand protection wise. For the foreseeable, thats the game in town.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

Maybe he meant that City have won £500m over 10 years that would have gone to other clubs? We are all defensive about our club, you included, obvs, but one needs to look at their fault lines as well. Us? Taking the absolute piss out of sponsorship stuff via Uncle Unsie. Arsed? Not a bit.

You? Similar to the RS, ownership/brand protection wise. For the foreseeable, thats the game in town.

Yeah its very strange all of it but these guys at the top of clubs are all into dodgy deals and ways of deflecting stuff , a lot of the top clubs now are run like the banks etc , meaning that they are totally rancid and they dont give a flying fook about anybody or anything , that includes the dreadful glazers

 

[roydo]

Yeah its very strange all of it but these guys at the top of clubs are all into dodgy deals and ways of deflecting stuff , a lot of the top clubs now are run like the banks etc , meaning that they are totally rancid and they dont give a flying fook about anybody or anything , that includes the dreadful glazers

Its just the same as its ever been, but the 000's are longer, and the end games are more nuanced. Like when you had the Edwards for what, 30 odd years father to son, they were not liked. But they were, as far as I know, local fans. But rich. We had the same here, local businessmen who put stuff back into the area. Bristol City have it now with Steve Lansdown. Coates at Stoke. etc etc etc.

With Moshiri/Unsie, we are not sure, yet. As in "Why Everton?". The development around the new ground is my theory, plus maybe Unsie wanting to cock a snoop at Kronke/Arsenal.

Your owners have made it crystal what they are in your club for, so as a fan, if/when pots come along again, I would just file under "arsed". Nowt you can do about it.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Been trying to figure out that (PPT) post. Havnt a clue what he means. Like you say, £500m over 10 years on PLAYERS? Not having that.

It's just that during the last 10 years City have snaffled £500 million out of the CL competition (as a minimum). So that little wedge has
gone straight into the coffers. It's a £50m pound player each season that can be added (If you decide to invest that is and not take the
money out). After 4 or 5 years that starts to tell regarding the quality of the total squad and I think most of us agree on here the
City squad has depth. That is in part has been financed by the CL Money. Added to that the additional / higher value sponsorship deals
and the ability to help recruit the top players who all want to play in the competition. As we know the overall upside of being regulars
in the CL is financally significant. That's one reason why UEFA desperately wanted us out of it and attempted to move heaven & earth
to make sure we were.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

Its just the same as its ever been, but the 000's are longer, and the end games are more nuanced. Like when you had the Edwards for what, 30 odd years father to son, they were not liked. But they were, as far as I know, local fans. But rich. We had the same here, local businessmen who put stuff back into the area. Bristol City have it now with Steve Lansdown. Coates at Stoke. etc etc etc.

With Moshiri/Unsie, we are not sure, yet. As in "Why Everton?". The development around the new ground is my theory, plus maybe Unsie wanting to cock a snoop at Kronke/Arsenal.

Your owners have made it crystal what they are in your club for, so as a fan, if/when pots come along again, I would just file under "arsed". Nowt you can do about it.

I think maybe if its your club then maybe you would not bother where the money comes from because then you can give it big times to your rivals , like Newcastle for instance they won nothing since 1969 i think would they care if they had big dough probably not wherever it came from , i mean could they have a worse merchant than ashley at the moment

 

[roydo]

I think maybe if its your club then maybe you would not bother where the money comes from because then you can give it big times to your rivals , like Newcastle for instance they won nothing since 1969 i think would they care if they had big dough probably not wherever it came from , i mean could they have a worse merchant than ashley at the moment

But you wouldnt have single geordie agree. Like with you with your owners. They are loathed, but have delivered some stuff.

Jury isnt out on ours, not yet, cos the smoke signals are all saying nice things. And there is no doubt they have lobbed a skip of cash at us, we have just slashed most of it up the wall.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

But you wouldnt have single geordie agree. Like with you with your owners. They are loathed, but have delivered some stuff.

Jury isnt out on ours, not yet, cos the smoke signals are all saying nice things. And there is no doubt they have lobbed a skip of cash at us, we have just slashed most of it up the wall.

So how much have your owners pumped into your mob roughly , players , stadium etc would you say