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Manchester United
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Simon Buttle
Player Valuation: £50m
Seemingly the new manager wasn't his choice and he felt ETH should have stayed a bit longer and it was more on the poor playing squad (which clearly has a fair bit of deadwood in it, some poor players there for a Man U squad imo)
johnjoeefc
Player Valuation: £25m
I find it outrageous these PSR rules. So Man United are allowed to fail and fail and fail. Sack and rehire everyone and everything and rebuild and rebuild and spend and spend.
All because they were successful in the 90s and therefore have a lot of fans and sell a lot of shirts. While other clubs can lose significantly less money and get punished for trying to compete with a new stadium with points deductions and the like. Thats fair play for you isn't it
All because they were successful in the 90s and therefore have a lot of fans and sell a lot of shirts. While other clubs can lose significantly less money and get punished for trying to compete with a new stadium with points deductions and the like. Thats fair play for you isn't it
HalfTimeSayers
Player Valuation: £30m
Jim Ratface in danger of going full Mosh. Impatience and arrogance in both hiring and firing him expecting a single decision to magically make them champions again. Love it.
I don’t believe the DoF role in general makes a blind bit of difference unless they are in total longstanding connection with the manager, and surrounded by excellence in every area of recruitment, sports science and medical, stats and data, scouting etc. Which is rediculously rare and fragile, almost happens by luck, or would take 3+ years of patience, which nobody has.
Lobbing any highly rated DoF into a new club with a manager that may like causing a bit of friction, sub-teams that don’t want to report to someone who is removed from events actually on the pitch and in the dressing room is totally pointless. I don’t see it as a role with skills that are particularly transferable from one club to another. DoFs working wonders at a given club are merely the figurehead of 100+ others. Chuck the same person at a role as the head of a completely different 100+ other people and getting similar results is impossible, and that’s ignoring that every club feels different and has an in built culture based on fanbase and history, none of which is changing in a matter of months.
Funny though.
I don’t believe the DoF role in general makes a blind bit of difference unless they are in total longstanding connection with the manager, and surrounded by excellence in every area of recruitment, sports science and medical, stats and data, scouting etc. Which is rediculously rare and fragile, almost happens by luck, or would take 3+ years of patience, which nobody has.
Lobbing any highly rated DoF into a new club with a manager that may like causing a bit of friction, sub-teams that don’t want to report to someone who is removed from events actually on the pitch and in the dressing room is totally pointless. I don’t see it as a role with skills that are particularly transferable from one club to another. DoFs working wonders at a given club are merely the figurehead of 100+ others. Chuck the same person at a role as the head of a completely different 100+ other people and getting similar results is impossible, and that’s ignoring that every club feels different and has an in built culture based on fanbase and history, none of which is changing in a matter of months.
Funny though.
NorthernBlue
Player Valuation: £30m
Basically Utd continue to be a super charged version of us under Moshiri. I hope the new lot coming in here chase everyone and start from scratch.
It's very difficult to destroy the PSR structure quickly. Look at Newcastle. It needs to be sustained over a longer time frame.
In some respects, while wealth is important, a good strategy is more important.
Wat Tyler
Player Valuation: £70m
How are they not in breach? I don’t understand it
I am looking at Newcastle - they sponsored themselves for 25m a year or so from a made up sponsor, owned by their owners.
Strategy for laundering money efficiently - yeah, you need that for sure.
As I wrote here -
Because they were the most marketed and most famous football team in the world for about 20 years - the 90s shout is great but they also dominated the 00s and everything pre-Moyes. The name/brand itself is still very marketable even if they're currently crap - they still rank in the top worldwide for fame.
Is it fair to the rest? Not really, but at the same time they've twisted the arms of sponsors execs down the years cuz of the fame - they still get 170m or something daft from shirt sponsors alone; as a comparison we recently signed our "largest deal" and "improved massively" and sit at about 20m, together with Brighton, Leicester, WHAM. They used their growth to market themselves, we used our growth/stability for years to do nothing.
Taking figures like that into account - they're very safe from PSR, along with City, Arsenal, the RS, Chelsea (who bend the rules by inventing sponsors and selling hotels to themselves
) and now Tottenham are joining the "club" too.We've always slept on sponsorship and stayed with Chang for ages, despite them not offering us neither money nor exposure, and just now woke up to the fact that it's important and part of the business side of things, when everyone was already ahead, by getting dodgy sponsors just so we can pay the bills. Shocking how this lack of awareness happened to coincide with the "fantastic leadership" of Kenwright, hm.
Interesting stuff about Ashworths departure in the Athletic and on Talk Nonsense, the athletic in particular suggesting Sir Scruff Ratbag wasn’t keen on taking on a load of analysts etc, unsurprising given his main contribution since buying 25% has been cost cutting.
Truly hope he destroys them from within
Truly hope he destroys them from within
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
His list apparently was Silva, Howe, Frank and Potter.
United wanted someone more 'exotic' but Ashworth didnt have any names and suggested hiring an analytical team to find that specific manager Rafcliffe wanted.
Pretty poor that Ashworth had no optilns abroad and no suggestions.
Bryan+
Player Valuation: £10m
Because they were the most marketed and most famous football team in the world for about 20 years - the 90s shout is great but they also dominated the 00s and everything pre-Moyes. The name/brand itself is still very marketable even if they're currently crap - they still rank in the top worldwide for fame.
Is it fair to the rest? Not really, but at the same time they've twisted the arms of sponsors execs down the years cuz of the fame - they still get 170m or something daft from shirt sponsors alone; as a comparison we recently signed our "largest deal" and "improved massively" and sit at about 20m, together with Brighton, Leicester, WHAM. They used their growth to market themselves, we used our growth/stability for years to do nothing.
Taking figures like that into account - they're very safe from PSR, along with City, Arsenal, the RS, Chelsea (who bend the rules by inventing sponsors and selling hotels to themselves
We've always slept on sponsorship and stayed with Chang for ages, despite them not offering us neither money nor exposure, and just now woke up to the fact that it's important and part of the business side of things, when everyone was already ahead, by getting dodgy sponsors just so we can pay the bills. Shocking how this lack of awareness happened to coincide with the "fantastic leadership" of Kenwright, hm.
It’s insane they still have sponsors willing to pay them these figures considering how far they have fallen.
They have but they've done well to market themselves as a business so they're everywhere still. In a way, it's disgusting, in another way it's quite smart as they considered themselves as a business way before the rest of the football teams caught up.
I mean they were also very successful at the time, which helped a lot.
Drico
Player Valuation: £50m
"This country has had quite enough of experts..."
Billy Dean
Player Valuation: £70m
In a sense it was bad timing for us to start being crap in the 90s and 00s which is when the money exploded. If massive amounts of money had started flowing into the game in the 80s we'd probably be better off now, although 30 years of BK probably would've wasted that too.