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2019/20 Marcel Brands

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davek said:
You're making a case for these people by going in the face of the facts

The lack of info on Kenny also: Brands sent him out to Germany with the explanation that it was just for experiance and that he was still in the club's plans. Nothing about the lad since. That's very poor.

As you say, the Brands' method is poor (and obvious). It might have paid dividends in Holland to buy players from decent clubs and retread them and send them out into Eredivisie to do their stuff, but the PL is not an environment that trick necessarily works in.

I just dont buy into him. He sets himself up (and has been aided in this by the club and media) as a controller, but he was easily sidelined over the Silva dismissal and the Ancelotti hiring.

I think we've been sold a pup here with Brands.
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The face of facts?

How does 19 year old Kean hardly gets a game but isn't on 15 goals already after moving countries 6 months ago?

I forgot strikers careers peak at 19. I mean like all 19 year olds score double figures at this point making like 10 minutes a game if they are lucky.

Iwobi has played under 3 managers in 3 different systems since he came to the club and been injured this season. Again not sure what you expect from players in that situation.
 
Kenshin said:
The face of facts?

How does 19 year old Kean hardly gets a game but isn't on 15 goals already after moving countries 6 months ago?

I forgot strikers careers peak at 19. I mean like all 19 year olds score double figures at this point making like 10 minutes a game if they are lucky.

Iwobi has played under 3 managers in 3 different systems since he came to the club and been injured this season. Again not sure what you expect from players in that situation.
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He's looked gash mate. You know it. One goal, barely a decent half of football.

He doesn't belong in the league.
 

davek said:
You're making a case for these people by going in the face of the facts

The lack of info on Kenny also: Brands sent him out to Germany with the explanation that it was just for experiance and that he was still in the club's plans. Nothing about the lad since. That's very poor.

As you say, the Brands' method is poor (and obvious). It might have paid dividends in Holland to buy players from decent clubs and retread them and send them out into Eredivisie to do their stuff, but the PL is not an environment that trick necessarily works in.

I just dont buy into him. He sets himself up (and has been aided in this by the club and media) as a controller, but he was easily sidelined over the Silva dismissal and the Ancelotti hiring.

I think we've been sold a pup here with Brands.
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One thing I really don’t like mate, is how there seems to be a concerted effort to keep his profile high and his timing of engaging in the media. We saw it after the first transfer window when we made a decent start, he was everywhere. Then when Ancelotti comes in and we go on an unbeaten run we get a 30 min documentary. I don’t think that’s an accident I think he has media and pr team behind him nurturing his profile and manipulating career stepping stones.

You can deal with that if there is progression, year 1 there was some good and steady recruitment. Year 2 there has to be big questions, I can get on board with Kean and JPG, given the context.

But you have to question decisions on Delph and Iwobi. I was looking at Sako on Sunday, Arsenal must be breaking their cake they got 32 mill for Iwobi knowing Sako was coming through. But it’s broader then that, is Iwobi better then Lookman? Would you put money on Iwobi getting more goals and assists then a Bolaise if you gave both the same amount of games - not a lot.

Delph,120k a week hitting his 30’s, he’s been awful. James McCarthy playing well for Palace and we also sent Besic out on loan. Two midfielders in their 20s, low wages and been more effective then Delph this season, binned out the door.

I’m not saying any of the players above are the answer, but strikes me as odd, replacing ineffectiveness with new ineffectiveness and just paying more for it. It’s not good player trading. What was the point!

Like I say I’m open minded, Im a sucker for a patient team building program philosophy if there is a plan and I’m record as saying it’s a three year turn around job of the squad, so I’ll stick with it until then, but there needs to be an outcome and year three Europe has to be a minimum. But I do find all I’ve posted tonight concerning.
 
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davek said:
He's looked gash mate. You know it. One goal, barely a decent half of football.

He doesn't belong in the league.
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Wouldn't have looked gash, and would have found the net more had a certain ex manager actually bothered to play him instead of giving him a few minutes here and there, he was woefully mismanaged the first half of the season
 
Neiler said:
One thing I really don’t like mate, is how there seems to be a concerted effort to keep his profile high and his timing of engaging in the media. We saw it after the first transfer window when we made a decent start, he was everywhere. Then when Ancelotti comes in and we go on an unbeaten run we get a 30 min documentary. I don’t think that’s an accident I think he has media and pr team behind him nurturing his profile and manipulating career stepping stones.

You can deal with that if there is progression, year 1 there was some good and steady recruitment. Year 2 there has to be big questions, I can get on board with Kean and JPG, given the context.

But you have to question decisions on Delph and Iwobi. I was looking at Sako on Sunday, Arsenal must be breaking their cake they got 32 mill for Iwobi knowing Sako was coming through, But it’s broader then that, is Iwobi better then Lookman? Would you put money on Iwobi getting more goals and assists then a Bolaise if you gave both the same amount of games - not a lot.

Delph,120k a week hitting his 30’s, his been awful. James McCarthy playing well for Palace and we also sent Besic out on loan. Two midfielders in their 20s, low wages and been more effective then Delph this season, binned out the door.

I’m not saying any of the players above are the answer, but strikes me as odd, replacing ineffectiveness with new ineffectiveness and just paying more for it. It’s not good player trading. What was the point!

Like I say I’m open minded, Im a sucker for a patient building program philosophy of a team if there is a plan and I’m record as saying it’s a three year turn around job of the squad, so I’ll stick with it until then, but their needs to be an outcome and year three Europe has to be a minimum. But I do find all I’ve posted tonight concerning.
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I think that's a fairer approach to Brands than I'm willing to give, tbh.

I was sold a line that he was here to give us stability. Can anyone say he's handed us that? If anything it's been Moshiri's pursuit and capture of Ancelotti that steadied the ship. I see overall a man who's added to our woes with his wrong headed signing policy and inability to get enough deals done for players we dont want. He's destabilised us if anything.

The "year 3" thing being a 'tie breaker': I understand the idea, but I dont think it works as a concept now that Ancelotti is here. He wont be handing Brands 'types' and asking him to get them within his preferred method of sifting through Raiola and Co.s highly paid discards late in the transfer window. Ancelotti will be supplying Brands with specific names to get signed...and quick. Brands will be more an old fashioned secretary on transfers from now on IMO.

...which goes to the heart of it for me: the DoF position is a BS one we dont need. And Brands is proving it.
 

davek said:
A word on his progress in Germany; a word on his future return.

We should have had an update by now. Maybe I missed it. If so, then ok. But I dont think we've had that clarification.
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I suspect Kenny will be sold for FFP purposes. Being an academy player it will be pure profit. He’s not as good as the two right backs we have which is saying something as they’re both terrible. Would be a wise move to sell him. Sit back and let the architect make his moves.
 
Megatron said:
Wouldn't have looked gash, and would have found the net more had a certain ex manager actually bothered to play him instead of giving him a few minutes here and there, he was woefully mismanaged the first half of the season
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Not having a go at kean but he’s hardly getting any more game time now under a manager who plays literally double the amount of strikers. It’s a low blow that.
 
Lanolin said:
Not having a go at kean but he’s hardly getting any more game time now under a manager who plays literally double the amount of strikers. It’s a low blow that.
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Because DCL and Richy are performing well, it’s a better dilemma for Ancelotti, Silva had no excuse not to play him when we were crying out for something different in the early part of the season
 

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