2019/20 Marcel Brands

[davek]

Which way do you want it?

At almost all the nightmare takeovers at English clubs the thing that has sunk them has been an unsustainable wage bill that the owner wouldn’t subsidise. See Leeds and Portsmouth.

If Moshiri is the carpet bagger as you say then why is it bad that the club are looking to reduce the wage bill and squad size to a healthy level before further recruitment?

Not to mention the ones likely to go are players on massive contracts who either don’t contribute (Sandro) or are at the end of their usefulness? (Rooney, Williams)

Finances should never again be an issue we were told when Moshiri came in. I think the next turn of the wheel in the governance of the club will nail that canard.

I repeat: I have no problem with shedding players as long as we keep our overall spending levels on wages. If we dont you'll see the difference.

 

[Brisan123]

I would add Gana and Davies to that. Davies has struggled in a poor squad, but he's a good young player. Gana hasn't become crap overnight, will be good in the right setup too

Also, keep Niasse at all costs

You were doing brilliantly till your last sentence
At all costs lol

 

[Brisan123]

I agree we've been poorly managed. The governance of this club is shocking. We've gone from a period where we had value for money in the pre-Moshiri era to a point now where we are seeing an utter piss-take....the latter happening in a genuine attempt, I concede, to make a leap forward. There has to be a happy median we can get where cash is spent in a targeted way. However, we exist in an industry where clubs around us never mind the elite are capable of trumping us in the race for good players if we slip off the market rate.

In short: I think we're being prepared for a reduction in spending that will be sold as 'streamlining'.

No Dave it will be sold as common sense
If you can reduce a squad of 37 , 15 of them who will never see a first team jersey down to 22 and replace those 15 with 4/5 top quality signings who will walk straight into the first 11 for a reduction in wages then that’s common sense.
Next season do the same replace 4/5 of the now 26/27 first team squad with 3/4 definite starters and you have a squad of 23/24 first team squad players who are fit for purpose and credibly fighting for and capable of wearing the first team jersey
It won’t be easy ( it’s not FIFA) it won’t be quick , it may not be pleasant , we may lose some of our heroes but it has to be done.

 

[blueblue]

I agree we've been poorly managed. The governance of this club is shocking. We've gone from a period where we had value for money in the pre-Moshiri era to a point now where we are seeing an utter piss-take....the latter happening in a genuine attempt, I concede, to make a leap forward. There has to be a happy median we can get where cash is spent in a targeted way. However, we exist in an industry where clubs around us never mind the elite are capable of trumping us in the race for good players if we slip off the market rate.

In short: I think we're being prepared for a reduction in spending that will be sold as 'streamlining'.

What happens now Dave when Silva comes in ?

Do we support our manager(as we did with Koeman) and let him buy the players that he feels he needs(as we did with Koeman) or do we go back to financial prudence and restrict the budget our manager has at his disposal and thereby condemn him to bringing the proverbial knife to a gunfight ?

The problem with buying players is that the very top managers have made horrendous decisions and you have to expect we will make mistakes as well as it is a very subjective business.

We have to decide where we are going, look at the money City spent and wasted before they got it right . I know we don't have their resources and you would hope not to waste as much as they did but when you say the governance is shocking I wonder what you would suggest to improve it... apart from hiring the right manager and buying only the right players.

 

[Toffeelover]

I agree we've been poorly managed. The governance of this club is shocking. We've gone from a period where we had value for money in the pre-Moshiri era to a point now where we are seeing an utter piss-take....the latter happening in a genuine attempt, I concede, to make a leap forward. There has to be a happy median we can get where cash is spent in a targeted way. However, we exist in an industry where clubs around us never mind the elite are capable of trumping us in the race for good players if we slip off the market rate.

In short: I think we're being prepared for a reduction in spending that will be sold as 'streamlining'.

I acknowledge the point you are making Dave but to me your dislike of Moshiri is unwarranted. The catastrophic change to me stems from taking on RK as manger followed by BFS however the last season of RM also contributed tot the mess.

 

[Brisan123]

What happens now Dave when Silva comes in ?

Do we support our manager(as we did with Koeman) and let him buy the players that he feels he needs(as we did with Koeman) or do we go back to financial prudence and restrict the budget our manager has at his disposal and thereby condemn him to bringing the proverbial knife to a gunfight ?

The problem with buying players is that the very top managers have made horrendous decisions and you have to expect we will make mistakes as well as it is a very subjective business.

We have to decide where we are going, look at the money City spent and wasted before they got it right . I know we don't have their resources and you would hope not to waste as much as they did but when you say the governance is shocking I wonder what you would suggest to improve it... apart from hiring the right manager and buying only the right players.

As you say every top manager has made mistakes in the transfer market
Ferguson , Wenger , Jose Pep Etc.
Pogba could be on his way back to Italy

 

[Brisan123]

I acknowledge the point you are making Dave but to me your dislike of Moshiri is unwarranted. The catastrophic change to me stems from taking on RK as manger followed by BFS however the last season of RM also contributed tot the mess.

Bobby signed
Alcaraz , Kone , Robles , , McGeady and a few other duds
He got lucky with Lukaku and Barry and Stones and Barkley were already here.
Even our heroes make mistakes Dave.

 

[Frang]

As you say every top manager has made mistakes in the transfer market
Ferguson , Wenger , Jose Pep Etc.
Pogba could be on his way back to Italy

imagine man city signed pogba..

their midfield would be de bruyne, silva and fernandinho!

 

[ashwuk76]

I have no concerns about cutting a squad as big as this down. It's what you do with the savings that matters.

If the quality of the squad improves and we save on our current wage bill... win win mate. But lets wait and see what happens. Give Brands a chance to make his mark.

 

[Brisan123]

imagine man city signed pogba..

their midfield would be de bruyne, silva and fernandinho!

You can retire for the day Frank
A very insightful entertaining and true statement.





You see what you can achieve when you’re sober lol

 

[Prevenger17]

You were doing brilliantly till your last sentence
At all costs lol

Niasse.

At. All. Costs.

 

[jinkyali]

For me, its obvious what is intended, if this supposed 'cost cutting' takes place.

We previously had no plan; ended up with extravagant purchases which, aside from Pickford, were probably all classed as overpaid.

Now, the strategy will be buying young, hungry players who we are happy to develop and sell on for a profit ideally; this goes away from the scattergun approach adopted in buying the likes of Bolasie/Siggy/Klassen/Rooney/Schnedierlin etc.

Heck, even Vlasic was out the blue; we already had supposedly four wingers and we then bought another.

Hopefully the penny has dropped and were adopting a style akin to Dortmund/Liverpool/Athletico. Young, ambitious, hungry players bought to develop and earn profits to reinvest with the occasional significant purchase, ala VVD.

Do this, grown revenues commercially so we go in to the new stadium with ideally a core of about 10-15 players who are comfortable at the club and committed to the project. We can then use the stadium move to expand our purchase market.

I personally am keen to see this strategy adopted rather than waste further funds which has got us know where.

Kenny/DCL/Lookman/Dowell/Vlasic/Keane/Pickford/Garbutt/Beni/Davies/Sandro supplemented by Coleman/Siggy/Klassen/Tosun/Gana and additional purchases should in my opinion make up the squad going forward, starting with a left back. Ideally Sessegnon or Tierney.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

For me, its obvious what is intended, if this supposed 'cost cutting' takes place.

We previously had no plan; ended up with extravagant purchases which, aside from Pickford, were probably all classed as overpaid.

Now, the strategy will be buying young, hungry players who we are happy to develop and sell on for a profit ideally; this goes away from the scattergun approach adopted in buying the likes of Bolasie/Siggy/Klassen/Rooney/Schnedierlin etc.

Heck, even Vlasic was out the blue; we already had supposedly four wingers and we then bought another.

Hopefully the penny has dropped and were adopting a style akin to Dortmund/Liverpool/Athletico. Young, ambitious, hungry players bought to develop and earn profits to reinvest with the occasional significant purchase, ala VVD.

Do this, grown revenues commercially so we go in to the new stadium with ideally a core of about 10-15 players who are comfortable at the club and committed to the project. We can then use the stadium move to expand our purchase market.

I personally am keen to see this strategy adopted rather than waste further funds which has got us know where.

Kenny/DCL/Lookman/Dowell/Vlasic/Keane/Pickford/Garbutt/Beni/Davies/Sandro supplemented by Coleman/Siggy/Klassen/Tosun/Gana and additional purchases should in my opinion make up the squad going forward, starting with a left back. Ideally Sessegnon or Tierney.

I doubt Garbutt will be part of the squad next year. And we can’t just buy kids and hope they turn into superstars.

Yes we need a strategy moving forward and im sure we will be buying younger players. But we also need to buy 3/4 players who fit straight into the team. And selling the odd young player for huge profit is great, but to have success that’s needs to be few and far between. Not 2 or 3 every season, we will get nowhere.

 

[jinkyali]

I doubt Garbutt will be part of the squad next year. And we can’t just buy kids and hope they turn into superstars.

Yes we need a strategy moving forward and im sure we will be buying younger players. But we also need to buy 3/4 players who fit straight into the team. And selling the odd young player for huge profit is great, but to have success that’s needs to be few and far between. Not 2 or 3 every season, we will get nowhere.

I don't think we will be buying 3/4 players who are established and will go in as we seem to have done that over the last two years and its failed spectacularly. I agree to an extent but it seems the cost cutting is taking place.

I don't expect we will sell 2 or 3 every season but I would expect one probably. Look across the park. They have done it better than most over the last five years.

There is a difference between buying kids and hoping they turn into superstars, and buying young, hungry players.

Sessegnon for example - we know he is going to be great. Buy him.
Massive difference between buying him and buying , DCL from Sheff Utd for example.

 

[mightymoyes]

if we're paying sigurdsson 150k p/w for 5 yrs as claimed in previous page i hope we're trying to find some halfwits to take him off our wage bill!