2019/20 Marcel Brands

[BirkenheadBlue]

no mate

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In all seriousness though, you have to take into account the teams he was managing. Particularly Hull who were an absolutely DIRE side.

At Watford, well we all know what happened there and the results absolutely went off a cliff. But even there, if you take off a couple of absolute pastings they got (vs Man City springs to mind) it is suddenly a LOT closer to 1:1, even taking into account their awful run of form after our approach.

 

[Timak]

no chance

first and foremost brands goes for defensive minded managers, hence the reason PSV had such a great defensive record.

silva is just like bobby M in that dept, it obv gets neglected, hence the reson he concedes 2 goals for every one his team score in the premier league

watford - 22 games scored 38 conceded 47

hull - 22 games scored 25 conceded 43


wonder if he'll make it to 23 games with us … we defo aren't going to put up with conceded 2 goals per game

On the other hand:

For all the "can't defend" stuff:
Estoril team - that finished 4th in Portugal - only let in 26 goals in 30 games
Sporting team 29 in 30 games.
Olympiakos was 16 in 30

 

[Goat]

Silva’s Defensive Approach

With the team operating in a 4-1-4-1 in defence, the key for Silva is to fill space and cut out options for his opponents. The wingers drop back to help cover the wing backs, stepping in and out of the centre of the pitch depending on which way the opponent is attempting to go to break the side down. That said, wingers never step far in-field, as that of course is the domain of the two central midfielders and their deeper defensive midfielder.

A pressing game is of course implemented here, but not to the level of a Mauricio Pochettino or a Johan Cruyff. Players are encouraged to get harry opponents and push them further back, sometimes hunting in packs, but swiftly returning to their positions as to shut down space. Players shadow the ball as it crosses the field, pressing where possible to force errors and push the player further back. As mentioned earlier, the midfield is spring-loaded in this sense for the high paced counter attack. With players willing to break from their positions to win the ball back, the momentum is behind them and against the player dispossessed when the ball finally returns to Silva’s side.

The defensive midfielder shadows the play behind his midfield four, adding an extra body to cut out space to creative outlets. His pressing game is not restricted to the zone behind his midfield – straying further would leave too many gaps behind, and that sort of over-commitment could be the difference between a clean sheet and a goal. The key for the players here is using their own initiative; Hull centre back Curtis Davies reports that Marco Silva physically moves his players in to the positions he wishes them to fill during phases of play, working meticulously to show his team where to be and when to decide to be there. As a game develops, players take these lessons and apply them on the fly – “where would Marco put me if we were training?”, if you will. These sorts of perfectionist details, coupled with the faith Silva puts in his troops and freedom he allows them to make their own choices, breeds a confidence and assurance amongst his team in defence that has immaculately highlighted by Hull’s revitalised defensive shape.


Doesnt sound like a man who doesnt do defence.

 

[Frang]

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In all seriousness though, you have to take into account the teams he was managing. Particularly Hull who were an absolutely DIRE side.

At Watford, well we all know what happened there and the results absolutely went off a cliff. But even there, if you take off a couple of absolute pastings they got (vs Man City springs to mind) it is suddenly a LOT closer to 1:1, even taking into account their awful run of form after our approach.

its a results business at the end of the day, and im just reading into his results.

shocking really , for whatever reasons, conceding 2 goals a game does not work in the prem.

even Allardyce knows this, hence the 11 men behind the ball, to do ANYTHING to stop leaking goals.

if silva wants us to be pressing and going forward quickly, then he will also need a well marshalled and pacey defence, which we just haven't got. there is still time to bring players in , granted.. but he will still need to organise them properly.

his sole mission was to keep hull up. Priority would of been to shore the defence up ?? he couldn't do it.

 

[deipnosophist]

its something he will HAVE to address.

people will say, Watford and hull had worse defenders than us, that's why they conceded so many. our defence , at present, is just as bad , barring pickford.

Watford and Hull had worse defenders than Tubby, Snail and Capt Jags?......is that even possible?

 

[Frang]

On the other hand:

For all the "can't defend" stuff:
Estoril team - that finished 4th in Portugal - only let in 26 goals in 30 games
Sporting team 29 in 30 games.
Olympiakos was 16 in 30

mate your quoting greek and Portuguese league results.

they are like the welsh premier league and the Vauxhall conference.

 

[Frang]

Silva’s Defensive Approach

With the team operating in a 4-1-4-1 in defence, the key for Silva is to fill space and cut out options for his opponents. The wingers drop back to help cover the wing backs, stepping in and out of the centre of the pitch depending on which way the opponent is attempting to go to break the side down. That said, wingers never step far in-field, as that of course is the domain of the two central midfielders and their deeper defensive midfielder.

A pressing game is of course implemented here, but not to the level of a Mauricio Pochettino or a Johan Cruyff. Players are encouraged to get harry opponents and push them further back, sometimes hunting in packs, but swiftly returning to their positions as to shut down space. Players shadow the ball as it crosses the field, pressing where possible to force errors and push the player further back. As mentioned earlier, the midfield is spring-loaded in this sense for the high paced counter attack. With players willing to break from their positions to win the ball back, the momentum is behind them and against the player dispossessed when the ball finally returns to Silva’s side.

The defensive midfielder shadows the play behind his midfield four, adding an extra body to cut out space to creative outlets. His pressing game is not restricted to the zone behind his midfield – straying further would leave too many gaps behind, and that sort of over-commitment could be the difference between a clean sheet and a goal. The key for the players here is using their own initiative; Hull centre back Curtis Davies reports that Marco Silva physically moves his players in to the positions he wishes them to fill during phases of play, working meticulously to show his team where to be and when to decide to be there. As a game develops, players take these lessons and apply them on the fly – “where would Marco put me if we were training?”, if you will. These sorts of perfectionist details, coupled with the faith Silva puts in his troops and freedom he allows them to make their own choices, breeds a confidence and assurance amongst his team in defence that has immaculately highlighted by Hull’s revitalised defensive shape.


Doesnt sound like a man who doesnt do defence.

its not what his results tell us.

Allardyce kept a much worse sunderland team up by organising a defensive unit. it can be done. just not by Silva

 

[boris]

Big blue nose has had a bit of a nightmare here.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

its a results business at the end of the day, and im just reading into his results.

shocking really , for whatever reasons, conceding 2 goals a game does not work in the prem.

even Allardyce knows this, hence the 11 men behind the ball, to do ANYTHING to stop leaking goals.

if silva wants us to be pressing and going forward quickly, then he will also need a well marshalled and pacey defence, which we just haven't got. there is still time to bring players in , granted.. but he will still need to organise them properly.

his sole mission was to keep hull up. Priority would of been to shore the defence up ?? he couldn't do it.

Clearly we should have hired you as our DoF instead of Brands

 

[Frang]

Big blue nose has had a bit of a nightmare here.

lets wait and see what the start of the season brings..

I want to see some new defenders being brought in that can make a difference...

we are going to get torn a new one going with our defence from last year.

they will be getting left exposed at every opportuinity if silva goes for all out forward press and attacking

 

[Frang]

Clearly we should have hired you as our DoF instead of Brands

I already work much higher up than a DoF mush

I wouldn't fancy taking a demotion at this stage of my career

 

[Goat]

its not what his results tell us.

Allardyce kept a much worse sunderland team up by organising a defensive unit. it can be done. just not by Silva

Thats cos Sam uses ultra defensive tactics Frank.

 

[Zatara]

no chance

first and foremost brands goes for defensive minded managers, hence the reason PSV had such a great defensive record.

silva is just like bobby M in that dept, it obv gets neglected, hence the reson he concedes 2 goals for every one his team score in the premier league

watford - 22 games scored 38 conceded 47

hull - 22 games scored 25 conceded 43


wonder if he'll make it to 23 games with us … we defo aren't going to put up with conceded 2 goals per game

Wrong Frank, very wrong.

A summary of Cocu’s philosophy would point to a high tempo game which he wants his players to attack directly and create 2v1s if possible. The net result has been highly entertaining football and lots of goals.

Silva is the type of Manager Brands goes for.

its something he will HAVE to address.

people will say, Watford and hull had worse defenders than us, that's why they conceded so many. our defence , at present, is just as bad , barring pickford.

maybe we should of hired Cocu... cos the man we have obv cant set teams up in the premier league that doesn't leak goals

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In all seriousness though, you have to take into account the teams he was managing. Particularly Hull who were an absolutely DIRE side.

At Watford, well we all know what happened there and the results absolutely went off a cliff. But even there, if you take off a couple of absolute pastings they got (vs Man City springs to mind) it is suddenly a LOT closer to 1:1, even taking into account their awful run of form after our approach.

On the other hand:

For all the "can't defend" stuff:
Estoril team - that finished 4th in Portugal - only let in 26 goals in 30 games
Sporting team 29 in 30 games.
Olympiakos was 16 in 30

Silva’s Defensive Approach

With the team operating in a 4-1-4-1 in defence, the key for Silva is to fill space and cut out options for his opponents. The wingers drop back to help cover the wing backs, stepping in and out of the centre of the pitch depending on which way the opponent is attempting to go to break the side down. That said, wingers never step far in-field, as that of course is the domain of the two central midfielders and their deeper defensive midfielder.

A pressing game is of course implemented here, but not to the level of a Mauricio Pochettino or a Johan Cruyff. Players are encouraged to get harry opponents and push them further back, sometimes hunting in packs, but swiftly returning to their positions as to shut down space. Players shadow the ball as it crosses the field, pressing where possible to force errors and push the player further back. As mentioned earlier, the midfield is spring-loaded in this sense for the high paced counter attack. With players willing to break from their positions to win the ball back, the momentum is behind them and against the player dispossessed when the ball finally returns to Silva’s side.

The defensive midfielder shadows the play behind his midfield four, adding an extra body to cut out space to creative outlets. His pressing game is not restricted to the zone behind his midfield – straying further would leave too many gaps behind, and that sort of over-commitment could be the difference between a clean sheet and a goal. The key for the players here is using their own initiative; Hull centre back Curtis Davies reports that Marco Silva physically moves his players in to the positions he wishes them to fill during phases of play, working meticulously to show his team where to be and when to decide to be there. As a game develops, players take these lessons and apply them on the fly – “where would Marco put me if we were training?”, if you will. These sorts of perfectionist details, coupled with the faith Silva puts in his troops and freedom he allows them to make their own choices, breeds a confidence and assurance amongst his team in defence that has immaculately highlighted by Hull’s revitalised defensive shape.


Doesnt sound like a man who doesnt do defence.

mate your quoting greek and Portuguese league results.

they are like the welsh premier league and the Vauxhall conference.

1 -- As Goat said, Cocu isn't a defensive minded manager...so your example falls flat immediately

2 -- As Birkenhead blue said Hull were already going down, they had 6 players in their first team squad before filling it with dross and Silva took over on a hiding to nothing and gave them hope. Just take a look at their squad.

Watford were flying high before our approach. If he had unlimited funds Im sure he could have got Watford even higher but that was tremendous to have them where they were -- play to the teams strengths and use what you have -- he did that and did it well.

3 -- Timak gave some good examples there. The Portuguese league isn't tosh....and his side shouldn't have been in the top flight nevermind what they achieved. He did that through a top defence.


So many examples as to who appointed or wanted Silva either way....its not impossible to suggest he was Brands suggestion

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I already work much higher up than a DoF mush

I wouldn't fancy taking a demotion at this stage of my career

Higher than a DoF but can’t divide or multiply by 2

Seems legit

 

[Goat]

Massive few days coming up for Marcel, hes done alright so far, but he needs to start pulling some rabbits out of hats in the next 10 days for sure, save us Marcel, your our only hope.