2019/20 Marcel Brands

[Frang]

The only experienced player i would keep is Coleman because his transfer value may be insignificant compared to his leadership and ability.

I think when we talk about experience, its all relative really. I mean i would say that if we have a 3 year plan then Walcott is 32, Gylfi is about the same and so is Coleman. Thats £60mil of assets worth close to zero...can we afford to lose that and pay 3 players huge wages?

Surely Digne and Bernard would both be 28 then and be experienced players...Richarlison would be 24...Mina 26...

I personally think we are going to be rebuilding with a plan in place for the short mid and long term...if its 3 years then the ages of the signings make sense...

But i cant see the logic of holding onto players until they have no resale value and are costing us in wages...big time.

It would make sense in 3 years time if we were hitting top 4 and wanted 2 experienced pros in to take us up a level...but not before we attain that target.

we wont be hititing the top 4 WITHOUT having 2 experienced pro's in the team. you need the right combination, and that includes 3 experienced pros, and one of them is normally a yard dog like fellaini

 

[Goat]

The only experienced player i would keep is Coleman because his transfer value may be insignificant compared to his leadership and ability.

I think when we talk about experience, its all relative really. I mean i would say that if we have a 3 year plan then Walcott is 32, Gylfi is about the same and so is Coleman. Thats £60mil of assets worth close to zero...can we afford to lose that and pay 3 players huge wages?

Surely Digne and Bernard would both be 28 then and be experienced players...Richarlison would be 24...Mina 26...

I personally think we are going to be rebuilding with a plan in place for the short mid and long term...if its 3 years then the ages of the signings make sense...

But i cant see the logic of holding onto players until they have no resale value and are costing us in wages...big time.

It would make sense in 3 years time if we were hitting top 4 and wanted 2 experienced pros in to take us up a level...but not before we attain that target.

Thats great Zat.

As I say we can have a look next Summer, but for now Walcott is our best Right Winger and Iceland is the best player at 10.

Until they are replaced and improved on, they remain as valuable players.

Not a club in the world will give us 45m for Iceland, forget that money, its gone, might be able to get our money back on Walcott, but personally I would rather have Walcott playing our Right Wing than 20m in the bank.

Walcott for 1 would cost upwards of 50m to replace, Iceland about the same, so lets just enjoy them as Everton players till they no longer are.

 

[Zatara]

we wont be hititing the top 4 WITHOUT having 2 experienced pro's in the team. you need the right combination, and that includes 3 experienced pros, and one of them is normally a yard dog like fellaini

Thats great Zat.

As I say we can have a look next Summer, but for now Walcott is our best Right Winger and Iceland is the best player at 10.

Until they are replaced and improved on, they remain as valuable players.

Not a club in the world will give us 45m for Iceland, forget that money, its gone, might be able to get our money back on Walcott, but personally I would rather have Walcott playing our Right Wing than 20m in the bank.

Walcott for 1 would cost upwards of 50m to replace, Iceland about the same, so lets just enjoy them as Everton players till they no longer are.

What im saying is this...

3 year plan
Coleman 32
Mina 26
Digne 28
Bernard 28
Richarlison 24
Holgate 24

Etc etc...nice mix with others coming in too...

Today, at this moment Walcott is indeed our best right winger. Sigurdsson is our best 10...we dont know what to expect from Bernard or Lookman or even Gomes.

Totally agree.

But i would say that in Jan there are desperate clubs who may well pay £25mil for Walcott or £25-30mil for Sigurdsson.

Would i sell them IF others can get us top 7...of course!!

Otherwise id sell next summer...100%.

As for replacements...i have full faith in Brands here. Hes signed players for PSV for good fees and theyre now worth a lot more.

He could do the same or better for us, we have more pull as a club.

 

[Frang]

What im saying is this...

3 year plan
Coleman 32
Mina 26
Digne 28
Bernard 28
Richarlison 24
Holgate 24

Etc etc...nice mix with others coming in too...

Today, at this moment Walcott is indeed our best right winger. Sigurdsson is our best 10...we dont know what to expect from Bernard or Lookman or even Gomes.

Totally agree.

But i would say that in Jan there are desperate clubs who may well pay £25mil for Walcott or £25-30mil for Sigurdsson.

Would i sell them IF others can get us top 7...of course!!

Otherwise id sell next summer...100%.

As for replacements...i have full faith in Brands here. Hes signed players for PSV for good fees and theyre now worth a lot more.

He could do the same or better for us, we have more pull as a club.

would ask to see your ideal preferred line up.. but think you'd just post the under 16 squad!

 

[Zatara]

would ask to see your ideal preferred line up.. but think you'd just post the under 16 squad!

As of today if all were on form;

Pickford
Coleman Holgate Mina Digne
Gana Sigurdsson
Walcott Bernard Richarlison
Tosun
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Mostly Zouma, Lookman and Gomes to rotate where possible to keep players fresh.

Next season if the new signings are good;

Pickford
Coleman Holgate Mina Digne
Gana ???
??? Bernard Richarlison
???
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3 very good signings away from a top first 11.

 

[Nymzee]

Isn’t a thread until Zat whacks out his future line-ups.

 

[evertony]

I think a DoF should own a small percentage of the club, if he improves the side year on year he has the chance to boost the value of his shares, which gives a bit more focus to the job if there is a chance you could get a good few million when you leave. Walsh would have ended up paying back money...

Wouldn’t that focus the DoF on developing and selling on the assets to get a big return, rather than developing and keeping them? It would essentially make them view transfers like an agent ie get your client a move every 2-3 yrs to keep the dough rolling in.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Wouldn’t that focus the DoF on developing and selling on the assets to get a big return, rather than developing and keeping them? It would essentially make them view transfers like an agent ie get your client a move every 2-3 yrs to keep the dough rolling in.

In a normal business where the bottom line counts it would, in football it is more down to success (& having a decent place to call home) that sets the value of the club. If you see how plastic Chelsea have grown, win stuff, get fans all over the world, which in turn give you massive sponsorship and shirt deals. This gives a stable-ish income that would dwarf what could be made with general player trading for prospective owners to value the club at.

But that doesn't take into account that most billionaires do not come into football for money, so you have to be a winning side or very close to it, then you are worth how much they want to pay for their vanity project. Or if you make a truck load of money like utd then you can be bought out with finance and that makes them money without even paying for anything.

 

[Brisan123]

Im glad you notice and recognise the signings of u25 year old players GOAT.

Id also be interested to understand why you feel we should keep players of 29 such as Sigurdsson + Walcott?

Surely if you applaud the signing policy of u25s then you would be happy to recycle the 29 year olds in order to reinvest in the strategy you have bought into?

Bolasie being the useless one we need to sell
Sigurdsson + Walcott being decent players
Coleman being an inspiration + very good

Where does brands act and where does he make an exception?

If he can’t find a better young player he sticks with the older ones
Every side need a balance and a mix of age groups.
The ideal squad would have 2 players of every age from 19-32/33

 

[Rhapsody in Blue]

The only experienced player i would keep is Coleman because his transfer value may be insignificant compared to his leadership and ability.

I think when we talk about experience, its all relative really. I mean i would say that if we have a 3 year plan then Walcott is 32, Gylfi is about the same and so is Coleman. Thats £60mil of assets worth close to zero...can we afford to lose that and pay 3 players huge wages?

Surely Digne and Bernard would both be 28 then and be experienced players...Richarlison would be 24...Mina 26...

I personally think we are going to be rebuilding with a plan in place for the short mid and long term...if its 3 years then the ages of the signings make sense...

But i cant see the logic of holding onto players until they have no resale value and are costing us in wages...big time.

It would make sense in 3 years time if we were hitting top 4 and wanted 2 experienced pros in to take us up a level...but not before we attain that target.

Although players over 30 shouldn't be relied upon and the average age of the team should be in the 20s you do need to have some older heads around the squad to offer experience. These days players don't just fall off a cliff when they hit 30 like they used to.
That doesn't however mean that you should have 36 year old captain and starters a la Jags.

 

[Jacko93]

It's not a famiiar concept to me that definition of cohesion.

Cohesion means, yes, working in unison...but something is working in unison in a coherent way when they all slot together and prove integration of roles are working. Now, how can we possible be at that stage? You cant declare, for example, people working on a car to have been coherently working together if - when it comes to starting the engine - the assembled parts dont allow you to move off.

What (I think) you have been meaning is that the club have been working in unison. The coherent part we've yet to find out...from today we will, of course.

Tbh Dave, I think you have your words mixed up.

If you work in a cohesive manner, you are working together. If you work coherently, you are working in a clear and logical manner. Both of those we can judge from the work that they have already done. How successful that work is has yet to be determined.

A group of people can work cohesively and coherently yet still get things wrong, as they worked in unison and all understood their own roles/responsibilities.

Anyway, here's to seeing how it goes through the season. I'm looking forward to it.

 

[davek]

Tbh Dave, I think you have your words mixed up.

If you work in a cohesive manner, you are working together. If you work coherently, you are working in a clear and logical manner. Both of those we can judge from the work that they have already done. How successful that work is has yet to be determined.

A group of people can work cohesively and coherently yet still get things wrong, as they worked in unison and all understood their own roles/responsibilities.

Anyway, here's to seeing how it goes through the season. I'm looking forward to it.

To describe something as being coherent means something (a plan of action in this case) is proven logical and rational. You can have a plan of action, but until it's tested it remains theoretical - yet to be confirmed as rational. We hope its rational.

What we had in the summer was a plan of action. Coherence will be conferred on it (or not) in due course.
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sorry, I misread your last post.

 

[Mads]

What a start he has had. We never got took for a ride by anyone. His main targets he got. He took his time. Got a lot of wages off the wage bill. All in a really short amount of time. Signed some big players from bigger clubs too. That Bernard signing must of took some effort. We held our ground over Lookman too which i like.

 

[stannyr]

As for replacements...i have full faith in Brands here. Hes signed players for PSV for good fees and theyre now worth a lot more.

He could do the same or better for us, we have more pull as a club.

I have to say garnering value in players at PSV will be a lot easier than at Everton. They can afford to play youngsters game in, game out as the league is far easier and they are more likely to flourish. I think Dowell, Baningime etc plus any youngsters he might bring in will struggle to see enough game time to see their values rocket.

 

[Zatara]

I have to say garnering value in players at PSV will be a lot easier than at Everton. They can afford to play youngsters game in, game out as the league is far easier and they are more likely to flourish. I think Dowell, Baningime etc plus any youngsters he might bring in will struggle to see enough game time to see their values rocket.

Richarlison seems to have done ok....Holgate slotted in seamlessly and I think Baningime will surprise some people.