2019/20 Marcel Brands

[BlueToff]

Here's the interesting thing though mate, the same thing was said about the number of clubs who'd be after him after the world cup, yet no one actually to my knowledge tabled a bid or made a serious approach, why exactly - not sure, unless any initial enquiries where met and rebuffed by the player/agent/family, which would suggest they have a timetable of two years at PSV then a move - ultimately surely a player rarely especially these days moves straight from that league and into one of the very top sides anymore. The ones who do make that move tend to do so as a squad player also.

The interim move - especially for a 20/21 year old is by far and away the most common and most sensible long term strategy, from the sounds of it brands personally was the factor in his move to PSV, the part about meeting several times with the players family is very revealing and cone any future decision will play a sizeable factor - as will the player and brands sharing the same agent now also.

As for the lines of inter, Roma, Valencia, and a few others being more attractive at this stage in his career, I'd disagree, it's a higher profile league, to a club which would pay more wages, seems to be ambitious and is starting to generate a bit of a buzz about it, with a dof whose promises he knows he'd be able to rely on in regards his role.

And much as I dislike the fact, a club that's shown it will sell its best young players after a period of commitment to the club, such as Lukaku and stones rather than force them to see out contracts etc.

I agree mate.

My point wasn't that Roma/Valencia/Inter etc would definitely be more attractive, but it would be naive so suggest they wouldn't be in the equation.

We're a logical next step, but so are they. The difference is Brands could hopefully give us the edge.

I think the WC thing was precisely because PSV had the plan. Lozano was clearly happy with it, and so were the club. Give us two seasons. So whether that two seasons is cut short in January, or whether they hold onto him in order to claim the title and then sell in the summer is the question.

 

[bluestevon]

@BlueToff I also wouldn't underestimate the connection and relationship between brands and PSV, effectively according to that article, he not only ensured thete managerial replacement and under 19 coach recruitment was done prior to him leaving, but also there summer recruitment was done to his plan, meaning reading between the lines he didn't go after any target he had identified for the club for us, including coaching staff etc.

I'd say that has laid a huge load of good will between the two clubs for any future dealings, on top of that he will know intimately exactly the clubs valuation and things such as clauses they'd be tempted by.

 

[BlueToff]

@BlueToff I also wouldn't underestimate the connection and relationship between brands and PSV, effectively according to that article, he not only ensured thete managerial replacement and under 19 coach recruitment was done prior to him leaving, but also there summer recruitment was done to his plan, meaning reading between the lines he didn't go after any target he had identified for the club for us, including coaching staff etc.

I'd say that has laid a huge load of good will between the two clubs for any future dealings, on top of that he will know intimately exactly the clubs valuation and things such as clauses they'd be tempted by.

I'm not underestimating matey, or at least trying not to.

I'm just wary of people acting like it's a done deal. There's loads of factors in play.

He's a quality player who would add loads to our attack. But is he the priority? If the plan is to stick with Richarlison as an out-and-out striker, then possibly. Or is the plan, in Jan at least, to bring in a striker that can offer an alternative to Richarlison?

In that instance I don't think we'd sign Lozano in January (I just don't see him moving that month, regardless of PSV's CL status - again, I may be wrong), but the summer is a different story all together.

As I said, I reckon having Brands can give us an edge. But it's not the only factor in play for any hypothetical move.

 

[mightymoyes]

I've said for some time, Lookman will be gone in January to Leipzig and Lozano will come in with Walcott used more as a squad player.

by january lookman will be starting and it'll be bernard and walcott fighting for the other spot

 

[EverBlue92]

by january lookman will be starting and it'll be bernard and walcott fighting for the other spot

Maybe pal but I personally doubt it, Lookman hasn't proven he is capable of starting in the prem and being a regular 7/10 player. Its easy coming off the bench and making an impact and playing against Kenyan farmers but whenever he's started a game he's underwhelmed me.

 

[bol-uk]

Bernard will be amazing, you wait. Already shown glimpses. We do need another striker though. Werner would be the one for me that I think would be obtainable.

A class right back to back up Seamus would be great and to bed in slowly. The shouts of Wan Bissaka excite me but even more so is who Brands could be looking at.

I also think a CAM to challenge Gylfi would be great but right now, I think that team would easily contend with the top 6/4.

Yeh, if Gylf gets injured we would struggle to replace him at the mo

 

[BlueToff]

Yeh, if Gylf gets injured we would struggle to replace him at the mo

I think that's mainly because of Gylfi's attributes off the ball, though.

He works so hard that he's absolutely key to our pressing game. He also has the size and strength to ensure he isn't pushed off the ball. That is crucial to how Silva wants us to play.

It's been really interesting that all season when we've been out of possession and the opposition have had the ball in their half, we play a 4-4-2, with Gylfi pushing right up alongside the striker. That allows us to press in the midfield and - like for the third goal on Saturday - in theory break at pace.

When the opposition move the ball into our half, that's when Gyfli drops in to the midfield.

Then, when we're on the ball, Gylfi either drops deep or drifts wide to get on it, or makes a run to stretch the defence, with the striker dropping deep.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I could see next summer being more likely, but there'd also be a load of clubs in for him.

It depends where he sees himself and just how important any personal relationship with Brands is, as well.

Does Lozano think he's ready to go to one of the European elites (in terms of stature - PSG, Bayern, Juve, Chelsea, City, Barca, Madrid, Utd etc) or perhaps the level down from that, which I think is more likely.

It'd probably be on Brands to convince Lozano that we're the club that can do what PSV did and help him get to the next level. But there's plenty of clubs that are in that bracket that are already on a level above us in terms of where they are in their development/size/European footy (i.e. Inter, Valencia, Porto/Benfica, Dortmund, Roma, Arsenal, Spurs).

I'm not saying it's not possible, because I think Mina fell into exactly the same category and we saw how that worked out, but I don't reckon it's cut and dry in any way.

If we did steal a march and try in January, then that would signal a deal had already been agreed in principle (but I can't see PSV limiting how much they could make if a bidding war got started purely to keep sweet with a former employee).

I think that's exactly what has happened though Toff and I know Steve thinks the same.

I know it's a case of putting two and two together etc. It's the silence surrounding the player that is hard to ignore. Everyone knows that he's highly regarded and was being well touted during the world cup. But since then there's been absolutely nothing, especially when you consider who is new agents is. We all know how vocal he can be with his players when he's trying to find them a new club, and you can bet your last dollar that he doesn't consider PSV as the best club for Lozano to be strutting his stuff. So for me, it all points to the fact that a deal has already been done.

Now given Brands relationship with the club, the agent, the player and the players family, that surely makes us as likely a destination as anywhere. Doesn't it?

I take what you say about why would PSV agree to this. But have you considered it from the other angle?. That we have agreed to delay taking him until he had helped them get onto the Champions league which is so important to a club like PSV. (Bearing in mind our window closed before the final qualification rounds). I think it's fair to say that PSV will be out of Europe by January and also well placed to win the league and therefore qualify again for the play off round the following year. So getting him in January makes total sense.

How would you explain the lack of rumours since the world cup finished Toff?

 

[bluestevon]

I'm not underestimating matey, or at least trying not to.

I'm just wary of people acting like it's a done deal. There's loads of factors in play.

He's a quality player who would add loads to our attack. But is he the priority? If the plan is to stick with Richarlison as an out-and-out striker, then possibly. Or is the plan, in Jan at least, to bring in a striker that can offer an alternative to Richarlison?

In that instance I don't think we'd sign Lozano in January (I just don't see him moving that month, regardless of PSV's CL status - again, I may be wrong), but the summer is a different story all together.

As I said, I reckon having Brands can give us an edge. But it's not the only factor in play for any hypothetical move.

I'm pretty convinced if brands and Silva want him they will get him mate, brands has convinced him already to a good effect and result for the players career.

Brands recruitment thus far seems to be to target players who have made that massive move too young, mina, digne, gomes all in that category, or ones who that move would otherwise be too early, Richarlison, and a lesser extent Bernard in that category. Lozano fits the mould on so far what appears to be a player type he can persuade to sign on board.

 

[bluestevon]

I think that's exactly what has happened though Toff and I know Steve thinks the same.

I know it's a case of putting two and two together etc. It's the silence surrounding the player that is hard to ignore. Everyone knows that he's highly regarded and was being well touted during the world cup. But since then there's been absolutely nothing, especially when you consider who is new agents is. We all know how vocal he can be with his players when he's trying to find them a new club, and you can bet your last dollar that he doesn't consider PSV as the best club for Lozano to be strutting his stuff. So for me, it all points to the fact that a deal has already been done.

Now given Brands relationship with the club, the agent, the player and the players family, that surely makes us as likely a destination as anywhere. Doesn't it?

I take what you say about why would PSV agree to this. But have you considered it from the other angle?. That we have agreed to delay taking him until he had helped them get onto the Champions league which is so important to a club like PSV. (Bearing in mind our window closed before the final qualification rounds). I think it's fair to say that PSV will be out of Europe by January and also well placed to win the league and therefore qualify again for the play off round the following year. So getting him in January makes total sense.

How would you explain the lack of rumours since the world cup finished Toff?

The lack of noise about the player is very very strange given his high profile and currently clubs level in the food chain - I think it's us, but I'd be surprised if a deal isn't prearranged from prior to the world cup for a January/summer mover, maybe depending on the state of PSV cl and league position determining the date.

 

[Nymzee]

I could see next summer being more likely, but there'd also be a load of clubs in for him.

It depends where he sees himself and just how important any personal relationship with Brands is, as well.

Does Lozano think he's ready to go to one of the European elites (in terms of stature - PSG, Bayern, Juve, Chelsea, City, Barca, Madrid, Utd etc) or perhaps the level down from that, which I think is more likely.

It'd probably be on Brands to convince Lozano that we're the club that can do what PSV did and help him get to the next level. But there's plenty of clubs that are in that bracket that are already on a level above us in terms of where they are in their development/size/European footy (i.e. Inter, Valencia, Porto/Benfica, Dortmund, Roma, Arsenal, Spurs).

I'm not saying it's not possible, because I think Mina fell into exactly the same category and we saw how that worked out, but I don't reckon it's cut and dry in any way.

If we did steal a march and try in January, then that would signal a deal had already been agreed in principle (but I can't see PSV limiting how much they could make if a bidding war got started purely to keep sweet with a former employee).

Just say “look what happened to Malcom”

 

[boris]

I also think a CAM to challenge Gylfi would be great but right now, I think that team would easily contend with the top 6/4.

Bernard’s best position IMO, just watch how much more he seems to have to his game when he tucks inside.

That last 20 or do against Leicester when we played with 2 number 10s in Sigurdsson and Bernard with Richarlison on the left and Tosun upfront was a joy to behold.

It was just a matter of time time until we scored not if.

 

[BlueToff]

I think that's exactly what has happened though Toff and I know Steve thinks the same.

I know it's a case of putting two and two together etc. It's the silence surrounding the player that is hard to ignore. Everyone knows that he's highly regarded and was being well touted during the world cup. But since then there's been absolutely nothing, especially when you consider who is new agents is. We all know how vocal he can be with his players when he's trying to find them a new club, and you can bet your last dollar that he doesn't consider PSV as the best club for Lozano to be strutting his stuff. So for me, it all points to the fact that a deal has already been done.

Now given Brands relationship with the club, the agent, the player and the players family, that surely makes us as likely a destination as anywhere. Doesn't it?

I take what you say about why would PSV agree to this. But have you considered it from the other angle?. That we have agreed to delay taking him until he had helped them get onto the Champions league which is so important to a club like PSV. (Bearing in mind our window closed before the final qualification rounds). I think it's fair to say that PSV will be out of Europe by January and also well placed to win the league and therefore qualify again for the play off round the following year. So getting him in January makes total sense.

How would you explain the lack of rumours since the world cup finished Toff?

I think the lack of rumours are one of two things

a) it's like you said, and a Jan deal with one club or another (maybe that's us) is in the offing

or

b) PSV have him there for two years, everyone knows that, and there's an agreement in place (which has been rumoured, but not confirmed) that Brands won't go back to PSV for players until the end of the season?

I honestly don't think one scenario is particularly more likely then the other. It could easily be that a deal is in place, but it could easily be that PSV have just flat out refused to do any business until the summer, barring a ludicrous offer.

 

[Barnfred 55]

The lack of noise about the player is very very strange given his high profile and currently clubs level in the food chain - I think it's us, but I'd be surprised if a deal isn't prearranged from prior to the world cup for a January/summer mover, maybe depending on the state of PSV cl and league position determining the date.

Looked on Skybet mate to see some odds and he isn't even listed. When the world cup was on he was 2-1 on to be transferred somewhere, with names like Barcelona, United , Spurs and ourselves being bandied about. Then zilch!!. He's scored 8 league goals and 3 champions league goals already this season from a wide position. But nothing. Add in who his agent is and only one thing makes sense. A deal has already been agreed. I just hope it's us

 

[catcherintherye]

Good post
As to your last point I think you are correct
Moshiri said at the time that we only have a short timeframe to grab success
I thought at the time he meant before Stones Rom and Barkley left , but maybe he knew more than any of us where the game was headed ( European super league )
With United in flux with Pogba making noises and Jose’s future being questioned , plus Spurs up and down form and reluctance to spend money , I feel if Brands /Silva think top 4/5 this season is a possibility then I feel Moshiri will back them
Every signing this season has been a success , so their reputation has only increased
I’ve no idea ( well I have actually ( where the money is coming from but I wasn’t expecting the level of spending we seen in the summer , so another couple of players in January wouldn’t surprise me at all

It would seem logical that this was what he was hinting at. I don't believe it will happen by the way.

A canny businessman though, would see if those 5 clubs leave, the opportunity to establish a leading brand in what is currently the world biggest sports franchise would be an enormous carrot to be dangled. Yes the gamble would be that the PL proved resilient enough not too dip too much in the short term, and could re-fight it's way back up the rating as new teams emerge. Hell of a reward though if the PL can limit the damage to it's exposure (say it only loses 20% of it's market share, but Everton can go from the 7th biggest side to the 1/2nd biggest biggest, what an opportunity).