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2019/20 Marcel Brands

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Looked on Skybet mate to see some odds and he isn't even listed. When the world cup was on he was 2-1 on to be transferred somewhere, with names like Barcelona, United , Spurs and ourselves being bandied about. Then zilch!!. He's scored 8 league goals and 3 champions league goals already this season from a wide position. But nothing. Add in who his agent is and only one thing makes sense. A deal has already been agreed. I just hope it's us;)

If a deals been pre agreed then I'd feel pretty certain that it'd be us, a lot of clubs such as Barca, the rs, etc, would have launched a campaign to unsettle to get him in early as they'd have not agreed to do it in a respectful manner, most other clubs and details would have already leaked, it'd take a tight connection between both clubs deal makers and the agent involved to get it done on the quiet.

The sheer lack of rumours, betting odds etc just would be bizarre unless there is something done already.
 
I just dont see space for Lozano, or the real purpose at this point unless we move someone on. The reality is, going into next season we have Richy, Tosun, Lookman, Walcott, Bernard, and Onyekuru for 3 positions. Adding Lozano is a waste of resources. The only way it makes sense is if he is a significant upgrade at the wing position, and we move on one of our wingers, maybe even 2. Right now in order for even Lookman to play we would have to bench one of Richy, Bernard and Walcott. If we sell Walcott, and play Lookman, that still puts Lozano on the outside, unless we then also sell Lookman. And this is all keeping in mind that Onyekuru should finally be in the fold this summer.

I just dont see any space for the move, regardless of Brands convenient connection, unless we sell probably at least Walcott and Lookman.
 
I just dont see space for Lozano, or the real purpose at this point unless we move someone on. The reality is, going into next season we have Richy, Tosun, Lookman, Walcott, Bernard, and Onyekuru for 3 positions. Adding Lozano is a waste of resources. The only way it makes sense is if he is a significant upgrade at the wing position, and we move on one of our wingers, maybe even 2. Right now in order for even Lookman to play we would have to bench one of Richy, Bernard and Walcott. If we sell Walcott, and play Lookman, that still puts Lozano on the outside, unless we then also sell Lookman. And this is all keeping in mind that Onyekuru should finally be in the fold this summer.

I just dont see any space for the move, regardless of Brands convenient connection, unless we sell probably at least Walcott and Lookman.
I have a feeling we will never see Onyekuru in a blue shirt.
 
I just dont see space for Lozano, or the real purpose at this point unless we move someone on. The reality is, going into next season we have Richy, Tosun, Lookman, Walcott, Bernard, and Onyekuru for 3 positions. Adding Lozano is a waste of resources. The only way it makes sense is if he is a significant upgrade at the wing position, and we move on one of our wingers, maybe even 2. Right now in order for even Lookman to play we would have to bench one of Richy, Bernard and Walcott. If we sell Walcott, and play Lookman, that still puts Lozano on the outside, unless we then also sell Lookman. And this is all keeping in mind that Onyekuru should finally be in the fold this summer.

I just dont see any space for the move, regardless of Brands convenient connection, unless we sell probably at least Walcott and Lookman.

If Silva has Richarlison down as a number 9 long term then we essentially have 3 wide options (Walcott Bernard Lookman) for two positions. Bernard is probably first cover at number 10 as well if Siggurdson got injured. So one injury and we are down to 2 wide options with Calvert Lewin or Dowell next in line. Lozano could in theory be brought in as a long term first choice option with Walcott (who wasn’t a Silva signing) being phased out as a squad player.
 
I just dont see space for Lozano, or the real purpose at this point unless we move someone on. The reality is, going into next season we have Richy, Tosun, Lookman, Walcott, Bernard, and Onyekuru for 3 positions. Adding Lozano is a waste of resources. The only way it makes sense is if he is a significant upgrade at the wing position, and we move on one of our wingers, maybe even 2. Right now in order for even Lookman to play we would have to bench one of Richy, Bernard and Walcott. If we sell Walcott, and play Lookman, that still puts Lozano on the outside, unless we then also sell Lookman. And this is all keeping in mind that Onyekuru should finally be in the fold this summer.

I just dont see any space for the move, regardless of Brands convenient connection, unless we sell probably at least Walcott and Lookman.

You must 6 players for those three positions, one of whom isnt at the club even two years after signing and whose loan spells have hardly set the world on fire, be surprised if he ever kicks a ball for us myself, one of the others has been reduced to third choice in his natural position up top in favour of a 21 yo winger, and a 21yo raw striker. that'd suggest he's not exactly in the managers plans long term as a starter, one other is 29 - relies entirely on his pace and is inconsistent and injury prone.

Adding a player such as lozano is never a waste of resources.

Front 3 of lozano, Bernard, Richarlison, with Walcott and lookman on the bench. Is better by far than Walcott, Bernard, Richarlison, with lookman only in reserve, both in starting quality and depth.
 

If a deals been pre agreed then I'd feel pretty certain that it'd be us, a lot of clubs such as Barca, the rs, etc, would have launched a campaign to unsettle to get him in early as they'd have not agreed to do it in a respectful manner, most other clubs and details would have already leaked, it'd take a tight connection between both clubs deal makers and the agent involved to get it done on the quiet.

The sheer lack of rumours, betting odds etc just would be bizarre unless there is something done already.

From the recent article it was clear he take the time to give players the "personal touch". However he also gives good consideration to what would motivate them to join. It seems that was a big part of what the sales pitch was. It is very sensible and would work well here too.

If you take a lad like Malcolm, he looks to have made the wrong decision to move too soon, moving here (or Roma) would have been a smarter move for him.

This is going to mean accepting turning over of players. We have rightly grown quite scared of this but we do need to embrace it more. It will provide the liquidity and funds for Brands to reinvest. From a players perspective they will be far keener to join us as a result.

Lozano to Everton, to work with Silva makes great sense now. If he kicks on he will move on in 2-3 years to another team at a substantial profit.

I suspect Richarlinson could leave for £100+ million next summer. This will pay for Zouma, Gomes, Lozano and possible even Digne. It's a worthwhile sacrifice.
 
From the recent article it was clear he take the time to give players the "personal touch". However he also gives good consideration to what would motivate them to join. It seems that was a big part of what the sales pitch was. It is very sensible and would work well here too.

If you take a lad like Malcolm, he looks to have made the wrong decision to move too soon, moving here (or Roma) would have been a smarter move for him.

This is going to mean accepting turning over of players. We have rightly grown quite scared of this but we do need to embrace it more. It will provide the liquidity and funds for Brands to reinvest. From a players perspective they will be far keener to join us as a result.

Lozano to Everton, to work with Silva makes great sense now. If he kicks on he will move on in 2-3 years to another team at a substantial profit.

I suspect Richarlinson could leave for £100+ million next summer. This will pay for Zouma, Gomes, Lozano and possible even Digne. It's a worthwhile sacrifice.


I agree fully with all of this, most particularly accepting turnover. Generally speaking its an issue for all English clubs when compared to the continent. I know Silva made the point about not selling our best players and that is also correct, but I don't think we ever did that in a hurry anyway, for players we wanted to keep, with the possible exception of Rooney in 2004 and that was financially motivated on our side.

We are much more likely to attract the sort of players we need if they are not put off by a culture of doggedly refusing to entertain decent bids for them in the future if they have the talent to reach a higher level elsewhere. I don't see that as defeatist at all, and we can still set the bar (and fee) high but I would liken it to the situation of Harry Kane currently. You wonder how long more he will remain at Spurs without winning anything but they will get a huge fee for him if he leaves.

Paradoxically I think players are more likely to sign extended contracts if they know a club will not stand in their way if a big enough fee comes in, and they won't be held to the terms. It's about maximising the value of the palyers we have and then reinvesting to the best and wisest extent possible. I don't see that as defeatist at all, its realistic and what we have to embrace. Good players, for whatever length of time we have them, are always going to be a plus for the club, and will increase the chances of success.
 
*Boredom fuelled speculation time*

Interesting that Brands is building/maintaining relationships with certain clubs. Makes you wonder if there is a larger plan at work here.

Tipping PSV off on potential South American young talent with a view to PSV picking them up and moving them on to us if they reach a certain standard.

Bring the Barca connection in to the equation, as a potential 3rd step if that player reaches a high enough standard with us. Maybe with favourable & first refusal on their outgoings.
With the player being party to this before hand ala Lozano.

I think it’s clear that by bringing in Brands we need to be more sustainable in the long term in regards to spending and selling players.

As I said, just mindless, boredom fuelled speculation from me. Nothing more to see here ;)
 
If Silva has Richarlison down as a number 9 long term then we essentially have 3 wide options (Walcott Bernard Lookman) for two positions. Bernard is probably first cover at number 10 as well if Siggurdson got injured. So one injury and we are down to 2 wide options with Calvert Lewin or Dowell next in line. Lozano could in theory be brought in as a long term first choice option with Walcott (who wasn’t a Silva signing) being phased out as a squad player.
I don't think that's quite true. Richarlison is being used up front at the moment but that doesn't mean he stops being an option out wide altogether so it's a bit disingenuous to say we only have 3 players there.

Personally I'd buy Lozano because he looks a class act to me, but I agree that we'd have to lose at least 2 players from those attacking positions if we do bring him in. It's all very well saying we want to compete with the top 4, but until we genuinely are, we just can't have the same sort of squad depth. Quality players won't sit on the bench for a team that only plays 40 games a season, and we're not making enough money to stockpile multiple players for every position.
 
I think I love him more than Silva which is good as Brands is likely to be here longer. You can just see managers will want to be part of this set-up too if he provides the tools to do the job like he has done so far.

Best thing that has happened to this club since Moshiri joined and everyone who was involved to get him here deserves a pat on the back.
 

I don't think that's quite true. Richarlison is being used up front at the moment but that doesn't mean he stops being an option out wide altogether so it's a bit disingenuous to say we only have 3 players there.

Personally I'd buy Lozano because he looks a class act to me, but I agree that we'd have to lose at least 2 players from those attacking positions if we do bring him in. It's all very well saying we want to compete with the top 4, but until we genuinely are, we just can't have the same sort of squad depth. Quality players won't sit on the bench for a team that only plays 40 games a season, and we're not making enough money to stockpile multiple players for every position.

I agree mate and have always said if Lozano comes in then either of Lookman or Walcott will be out the door and as Lookman is the only one commanding a high fee and interest from other clubs, it'll imo be him leaving.

I also think Vlasic will be off in the summer aswell. Oneykuru I dont know although I think he is over rated by some.
 
From the recent article it was clear he take the time to give players the "personal touch". However he also gives good consideration to what would motivate them to join. It seems that was a big part of what the sales pitch was. It is very sensible and would work well here too.

If you take a lad like Malcolm, he looks to have made the wrong decision to move too soon, moving here (or Roma) would have been a smarter move for him.

This is going to mean accepting turning over of players. We have rightly grown quite scared of this but we do need to embrace it more. It will provide the liquidity and funds for Brands to reinvest. From a players perspective they will be far keener to join us as a result.

Lozano to Everton, to work with Silva makes great sense now. If he kicks on he will move on in 2-3 years to another team at a substantial profit.

I suspect Richarlinson could leave for £100+ million next summer. This will pay for Zouma, Gomes, Lozano and possible even Digne. It's a worthwhile sacrifice.
I get what you're saying, but it's hard for us as fans to accept that because we've seen it go wrong before. We're not just irrationally scared of players leaving, it's completely rational, because we've seen our best players leave before, and either not be replaced at all, or not replaced well. Let's not forget that lots of people on this board thought selling Stones for £50m and bringing in Williams for £10m was good business. It really, really, wasn't. We sold Lukaku for £80m and ended up rotating a raw 20 year old and a player who'd been frozen out for over a year in his place. We sold Lescott and spent half of the windfall on Bily (and that was with Moyes, who I did trust in the transfer market) etc etc etc.

Yes players moving is part and parcel of the game now, but we should absolutely not just accept that our best players will always want to leave and nor should we assume that everything will work out fine if they do. Brands seems a very shrewd operator, but nobody can infinitely pull rabbits out of hats. If we want to be successful, we need to try to make sure our best players don't want to leave all the time.
 
I think some people need to realise we just can't sell Lookman and Walcott either. There will be home grown player rules to adhere to as well. If we to sell either of them or both as well as possible departures of Baines and Jags, all we would have left is Pickford, DCL and some of the younger ones who maybe over 21 like Dowell etc. Do Siggy and Schneids count as home gown? Maybe then the likes of Pennington and Williams will be squad players next season for the home gown rule.
 
*Boredom fuelled speculation time*

Interesting that Brands is building/maintaining relationships with certain clubs. Makes you wonder if there is a larger plan at work here.

Tipping PSV off on potential South American young talent with a view to PSV picking them up and moving them on to us if they reach a certain standard.

Bring the Barca connection in to the equation, as a potential 3rd step if that player reaches a high enough standard with us. Maybe with favourable & first refusal on their outgoings.
With the player being party to this before hand ala Lozano.

I think it’s clear that by bringing in Brands we need to be more sustainable in the long term in regards to spending and selling players.

As I said, just mindless, boredom fuelled speculation from me. Nothing more to see here ;)

Shouldn’t this be in the Conspiracy Theories thread
 
I think some people need to realise we just can't sell Lookman and Walcott either. There will be home grown player rules to adhere to as well. If we to sell either of them or both as well as possible departures of Baines and Jags, all we would have left is Pickford, DCL and some of the younger ones who maybe over 21 like Dowell etc. Do Siggy and Schneids count as home gown? Maybe then the likes of Pennington and Williams will be squad players next season for the home gown rule.

We need 8 homegrown players and I think we might have like 12-13.
 

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