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2020/21 Marcel Brands

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BlueToff said:
Can we just get away from this 'who signed him' stuff?

Both DoF and manager have to sign off on a player before we make a move.

There's a few ways that it works, but in the main...

1. Ancelotti, Brands, the coaches etc, identify an area they want to strengthen. Steinsson is in charge of the scouting department (for lack of a better term) and the network to go out and find the players for the positions that need filling. Whether young or old, or whatever. They then return with a list of suitable players to Brands, who will of course run the rule over them. It'll be whittled down and then, in conjunction with Ancelotti, decided on which players to move for. This happened with Godfrey.

2. Ancelotti wants a particular player (James, Allan, Hojbjerg). We moved for those players. Let's say Ancelotti wants Isco, then we'll move for Isco. Obviously, in all cases it depends if the moves are feasible.

Brands' chief role is basically to bring it all together, and also be the conduit between the board and recruitment team. He's also responsible for setting out the academy structure which has now been done.

Trust me, I don't think Brands has acted decisively enough and I feel he has left us short - because ultimately he is the one who is responsible - but this 'x was a Carlo signing' or 'y was a Brands signing', is nonsense.

Doucoure was a player both Silva and Brands wanted. Carlo wanted a box-to-box midfielder and Brands will have said 'well, we've scouted Doucoure extensively and here's what he can offer'. Carlo signed off on it and they went and did the deal.
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Exactly. I’ve written similar before. The manager will have profiles of players in mind for the formation he wants to play. He might have a player in mind, a particular target, or he might want a list of targets the club has scouted for him. James and Allan were probably the former, Docuoure and Godfrey probably the latter. Either way both of them are signing off on them.
 
davek said:
No, the common denominator is that the manager's on both occassions wanted him.

Silva had him at Watford and therefore he was the impetus behind Everton's interest; Doucoure stated that he came to Everton because of Ancelotti.
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Be interesting to a comparrision between Brands signing Vs Moyes at West Ham - Moyes over a time.

He went there again in Dec 19 and already picked up one or two gems out of no where.
 
Neiler said:
Be interesting to a comparrision between Brands signing Vs Moyes at West Ham - Moyes over a time.

He went there again in Dec 19 and already picked up one or two gems out of no where.
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People laughed when I suggested Moyes as a future DOF but I really do think he could make a good one or at the very least a head scout.

Bloke has an eye for a bargain alright - that Soucek is like Fellaini.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
People laughed when I suggested Moyes as a future DOF but I really do think he could make a good one or at the very least a head scout.

Bloke has an eye for a bargain alright - that Soucek is like Fellaini.
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He has a brilliant eye for a player mate, one of the best in the game for me. I don’t think he’d go anywhere as DOF I think he sees himself as a manager and coach. But he defo has really string player assessment talent skills.

Soucek is a great buy, he’s made a massive difference to them, Coufal is a snip to, a really good right back, I think Bowen will go onto be a very impactful player, while Benrahama has huge potential quality.
 
Neiler said:
He has a brilliant eye for a player mate, one of the best in the game for me. I don’t think he’d go anywhere as DOF I think he sees himself as a manager and coach. But he defo has really string player assessment talent skills.

Soucek is a great buy, he’s made a massive difference to them, Coufal is a snip to, a really good right back, I think Bowen will go onto be a very impactful player, while Benrahama has huge potential quality.
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I really like Bowen. Moyes always found good business in the lower English leagues, as have we. I’d rather we pick up a few young players from those leagues than signing SK on 200k a week, or Isco frankly.
 

davek said:
Ancelotti signing.
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He isn’t, mate.

Carlo insisted on Allan and wanted another to partner him, somebody that could come in straight away and make us more competitive.

Brands put forward hojberg but that didn’t come off so Doucoure was next on the list. He’d been running the rule over him since he came in and he hit all the criteria Carlo was looking for.

Godfrey the same. Carlo wanted another centre half and brands put forward Godfrey as he’d been after him since he came in.
 
davek said:
No, the common denominator is that the manager's on both occassions wanted him.

Silva had him at Watford and therefore he was the impetus behind Everton's interest; Doucoure stated that he came to Everton because of Ancelotti.
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It was alleged that Brands was brought in to use his in depth knowledge or European football to bring in talented youngsters at reasonable prices as he'd done at his last club,and yet we still wait.
 
Charro said:
He isn’t, mate.

Carlo insisted on Allan and wanted another to partner him, somebody that could come in straight away and make us more competitive.

Brands put forward hojberg but that didn’t come off so Doucoure was next on the list. He’d been running the rule over him since he came in and he hit all the criteria Carlo was looking for.

Godfrey the same. Carlo wanted another centre half and brands put forward Godfrey as he’d been after him since he came in.
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Silva brought the player's attention to Brands who wouldn't allow it to happen for the figure Watford wanted. Ancelotti came in and wanted it done and got it done.
 

davids said:
It was alleged that Brands was brought in to use his in depth knowledge or European football to bring in talented youngsters at reasonable prices as he'd done at his last club,and yet we still wait.
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His strategy was to spend £20m-£30m on players at big Euro clubs who couldn't make the grades there.

What an appalling way of operating. Digne the only success.
 
davek said:
His strategy was to spend £20m-£30m on players at big Euro clubs who couldn't make the grades there.

What an appalling way of operating. Digne the only success.
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And even he has flaws in his game, yesterday wasn't the first occasion he's spent a lot of time starring at a wingbacks heels.
 
Lots of work done but so much work still to do. It takes a longer period of good recruitment to undo 4 years of awful recruitment. The squad in 17/18 was the worst one I can remember for Everton in premier league history.

Thankfully these players are no longer at the club: Klaassen Schneiderlin Ashley Williams Sandro Garbutt Funes Mori Jagielka (great player but was time to retire) Baines (great player but was time to retire) Niasse Rooney (too slow by the end) Martina

These players now are at the club: Richarlison Digne Godfrey Allan Docuoure James

Mistakes have been made, money has been wasted, injuries have hampered progress, but for the first time in a long time it feels like the players coming into Everton are better than the players leaving Everton and that is the road to improvement however slow it is.

Now to flush out the deluge still left from that terrible squad. Pickford Coleman Kenny Davies Siggurdson Tosun Bolasie Baningime Besic
 
Saint Domingo said:
Lots of work done but so much work still to do. It takes a longer period of good recruitment to undo 4 years of awful recruitment. The squad in 17/18 was the worst one I can remember for Everton in premier league history.

Thankfully these players are no longer at the club: Klaassen Schneiderlin Ashley Williams Sandro Garbutt Funes Mori Jagielka (great player but was time to retire) Baines (great player but was time to retire) Niasse Rooney (too slow by the end) Martina

These players now are at the club: Richarlison Digne Godfrey Allan Docuoure James

Mistakes have been made, money has been wasted, injuries have hampered progress, but for the first time in a long time it feels like the players coming into Everton are better than the players leaving Everton and that is the road to improvement however slow it is.

Now to flush out the deluge still left from that terrible squad. Pickford Coleman Kenny Davies Siggurdson Tosun Bolasie Baningime Besic
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Baningime and Davies cost nothing and won't be on big money,the rest need to be gone asap,and you've missed Gomes.
 

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