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Marcelo Bielsa

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Leedsfan1919 said:
Yep, when it worked it was a thing of beauty, which is why he was so loved (and is equally still well loved at all his former clubs).
I agree, if we hadn't changed managers last season we'd have gone down as things had clearly stopped working (though other fans would disagree).
And yes the problem was that players were exhausted after 4 years of his methods, players were injured left, right and centre and his desire of having a small squad meant not enough back ups. It's also arguable that we'd been found out to some extent, teams worked out how to play us.
Having said all that, the first 3 years under him were special, he got us promoted after 16 years in the wilderness and gave us the 3 best years in our recent history.
To rebuild a club, change the mindset and way of doing things, there is none better, even if his teams ultimately have a shelf-life.
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All very true mate. I think youd have gone down mate, just on what I saw at Goodison like.

The system he plays leaves teams horribly exposed if it cannot be executed properly. Which began to be apparent.

The antidote if you give him time to rebuild, which is sort of where Liverpool are with Klopp. The difference is though, they drop from 2nd to 7th. Sides like ourselves and Leeds probably go from 11th to 20th. That's the fundamental problem. The league doesnt allow for that rebuild.
 
Shevin Keedy said:
Would probably agree, I think we need Dyche for right now
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The reality then could be that Dyche keeps us up - I mean, that's why you would hire him above Bielsa - but then you can't really jettison him.

So, this talk of hiring Bielsa in the summer is fine - if we are hiring him from the Championship. If Sean Dyche keeps us up, the fans' lust for "stylish football" will have to wait. Dyche will be going nowhere.
 
None of the rumoured choices guarantee we’re get out of the self made mess we are in, no matter what you think of bielsas flaws or only plan a mentality.

Give me El Loco over the other names mentioned in this thread like Dyche, Rooney or bloody Moyes any day.

They don’t guarantee us anything - they all have risk, but I can get behind what Bielsa is about - not so much the rest of them.

Let him rip everything up and rebuild as he wants it done, and if we do go down i for one won’t be calling for his head( or any manager that comes in now tbh!).

It would be great to see some of these fraud players getting their orders from him, and I don’t think he would keep picking the same duds who have constantly let us down season on season - some of the youth will get a chance so another that’s another tick.
 
Drico said:
The reality then could be that Dyche keeps us up - I mean, that's why you would hire him above Bielsa - but then you can't really jettison him.

So, this talk of hiring Bielsa in the summer is fine - if we are hiring him from the Championship. If Sean Dyche keeps us up, the fans' lust for "stylish football" will have to wait. Dyche will be going nowhere.
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Not sure Everton fans lust for stylish football personally. Maybe I'm wrogn but I'd say the majority prefer physical, direct football. A bit like Sean Dyche football but with more emphasis on attack.
 

BNJ1878 said:
So why do all these top level managers say he's a genius? If his plan b is just more of plan a?

Don't get me wrong, I'm warming to the idea..... But inflexibility at this level is suicide.
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He's what lots of industries would call 'the ideas guy'. He's had some original ideas which have changed the way people look at things, but he isn't necessarily particularly adept at implementing those ideas. Other people then take those ideas and improve on them to the point that they actually work, but they would never have come up with the original inspired thought. He's a theoretically great coach, but in practice he's massively flawed.
 
Billy Dean said:
Not sure Everton fans lust for stylish football personally. Maybe I'm wrogn but I'd say the majority prefer physical, direct football. A bit like Sean Dyche football but with more emphasis on attack.
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Burnley fans could not stand how negative he was and how awful the football they were being served was. It will be absolutely dire.

The other thing that seems to go over people's heads here is, seeing as the board have left it so late, grinding out draws and narrow defeats is not going to help us. We need minimum 7 wins to stay up. That will involve letting the team off the leash sometimes. Dyche would never do it.
 

Drico said:
The reality then could be that Dyche keeps us up - I mean, that's why you would hire him above Bielsa - but then you can't really jettison him.

So, this talk of hiring Bielsa in the summer is fine - if we are hiring him from the Championship. If Sean Dyche keeps us up, the fans' lust for "stylish football" will have to wait. Dyche will be going nowhere.
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Dyche wouldn't want a short term. He's held out offers elsewhere but feels he deserves a prem job.

If I were Dyche I'd be asking for a long term big money deal if I kept Everton up. Sack if he doesn't.
 
Billy Dean said:
Not sure Everton fans lust for stylish football personally. Maybe I'm wrogn but I'd say the majority prefer physical, direct football. A bit like Sean Dyche football but with more emphasis on attack.
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Everton fans lust for winning football. Stylistically, any preference is just down to what will entertain individual people most in lieu of actual success. The oft repeated idea that the crowd doesn't have the patience for slow passing football is just a misunderstanding of the fact that the crowd has no patience for slow passing football which doesn't achieve anything, which is the only kind we've played in recent history. A patient 50 pass move which results in a goal will be lauded for years, a laborious sequence of backward and sideways passes between increasingly uncomfortable looking players before we lose it or hoof it will be met with derision. It's all pretty standard really.
 

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