Marcelo Bielsa

[blue to the bone]

Go get Raphina on loan from Barcelona and we will think about it Marcelo

 

[uglykidjoe1982]

Does that little guy who does his translations come as part of the deal. It’s like Keith Harris and Cuddles when they get going

 

[Glasshalffull]

Name a name then.

Smith. Or Al Dente.

That ok?

 

[Lee Smith]

On the plus side, I suppose losing 7-5 every week is more exciting than 2-1

 

[Groucho]

Lazio and Lille were a disaster but more down to issues he had with the boards there

 

[hktoffee]

 

[Bluelenny1984]

To be honest, looking at his career record since the Chile job it's not too bad:

Improved Chile and was worshipped there, laid the foundations for their subsequent Copa America wins
Improved Athletic Bilbao, took them to the Europe League final
Got Marseille to 4th in the league which is nothing special but also fine, not a disaster by any means
Lazio and Lille were a disaster but more down to issues he had with the boards there
Did an excellent job at Leeds

Loads of players who played under him say he improved them as players.

Plays swashbuckling football which Goodison will like you'd think. Would concede goals but would score loads too.

On the negative side, when the wheels come off they really come off and there's no telling when that would be. Could be after 4 years like at Leeds, could be after 1 year or less.

Other negative for me is that Moshiri is driving this, so probably no joined up thinking has gone into this and to whether we as a club can create the right environment for him to succeed.

This team doesn't have loads of goals in it, Marco Bielsa doesn't come in and suddenly turn these players in to swash buckling goal scorers.

It's a complete change in style and direction again with players not fit to suit the system they are bringing in.

We are recruiting managers on past reputation and not recruiting for a style of play or a certain direction.

We are done, anybody who thinks a manager change is going to save us is deluded like you say no joined up thinking from the people on charge.

 

[Kev The Rat]

bring him in instead of Dyche, no question. the shortlist will only be 2 or 3 names anyway.

 

[Billy Dean]

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Yeah TBF that was my point at the end of my post

 

[Bluelenny1984]

He’s the opposite of what our players have been instructed to do up to now.

We haven’t seen if they can play this way.

We have and they can't

 

[Bluelladevil]

Imagine you're a player and Dyche walks through the dressing room door. How depressing would that be? You'd know your prospects of international football are now swilling around in the pan, your career wasted in playing percentage based, team shape focused, never take a chance, hoofball. Compare that to having Bielsa as your manager - knowing you will have a manager who focuses on inventive, relentless attacking football, who is openly admired by Guardiola and Klopp and who there's a good chance will make you a better player. We need a manager who will inspire these players otherwise we're down.

 

[BNJ1878]

The greatest myth in football this fella.

Bin.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Name a name then.

Not that you have any interest in a real discussion but here is my post from the other day:

Raw "pragmatism" is exactly what we're currently doing. I have to put pragmatism in quotes because that's the word people have come up with for being hyper conservative and risk adverse. It's not actually sensible to try and win games without scoring goals but it is conservative because you tend to avoid being utterly whalloped so sometimes you might get lucky. Whoever framed playing this way as being grounded in what's necessary when scoring goals is absolutely necessary to winning and this style massively prohibits that ability is an absolute genius at marketing themselves.

Anyway to toss some names out: Kjetil Knutsen, Adi Hutter, Urs Fischer, Jose Bordalas, Bruno Genesio.

Basically just want guys who take over a club and leave it better than when they started. Guys with real tactical knowledge. Guys who haven't been to the PL. Will any come here? No idea. Would any keep us up? Impossible to say. Do I think we'd be a better team in January 2025? Absolutely. It's all that matters. We can control getting better and running the club right. What happens from there happens. If you try to chase results you are going to end up down and struggling to ever come back up because you cannot control the small moments that will change your fortune either way when you're always playing on a knife edge. We have to get away from that spot.

Weirdly I think Bielsa sort of fits, it's just that I've seen where he ends up and don't really want to go there. I'd prefer someone who might have something sustainable beyond a year or two in the top flight.

 

[Dixie1sixty]

Totally on board with Bielsa.

We need a radical to get a tune out of these fraudsters.

 

[hktoffee]

bring him in instead of Dyche, no question. the shortlist will only be 2 or 3 names anyway.

Thomas Frank won’t come.
Rooney knows he will take us down so he will deny.
There is no way we would pay £7m for Nuno.

It’s between Bielsa and Dyche.