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Marcelo Bielsa

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Jim Kirk said:
Leeds fan who's lived in Liverpool for 30 years. This would kill me inside if this happened.

That said, If he fancies it then I hope he makes it a success for his sake. We sacked him out of a kneejerk reaction. Leeds fan love Bielsa - and it goes beyond the football. Having a guy who makes clubs sign contracts which have, in effect, integrity clauses, who see's his real boss as the fans of the club, who doesn't give a hoot about money and trappings of success (at Leeds he lived in a 1 bedroom flat above a sweet shop near Wetherby town centre and had a battered old fiat) is such a breath of fresh air in these days of hypocritical football greed that its hard not to get onboard with the guy.

You may or may not get relegated with him, he's a sh*t or bust type but you would certainly get::

1 - A clear footballing style, no plan B - just do plan A better.
2 - Totally honest and forthright, does what he says - says what he does type. No bullshit at all.
3 - A manager who wouldn't touch the Liverpool job with a barge pole. He wouldn't be interested in all that, he'd fancy the Everton job (if the board relinquish just about all control to him - which would be a clear requirement) - right up his street
4 - A manager who does speak perfectly good English, he just doesn't like speaking to the media and is wary of being misinterpreted if he makes an error in language.
5 - A manager who gets fined every week for refusing to do the contracted 7 interviews after a game. Bielsa caps out at 3 and pays a fine instead.
6 - He makes players do manual work for 3-4 hours a week, to simulate the effort most fans have to go through to earn enough money to buy a ticket to the match.
7 - How you do things are more important than what you do. Winning games is probably about number 6 on his priority list. Sounds weird, but is surprisingly easy to get your head around when you get into it - Leeds fans cheered and supported him madly, even when City where sticking 7 past our kids during the injury crisis that got him sacked. I can confirm we never did that for Neil Warnock....
8 - He would place more importance on how your academy kids where developing on loan at Accrington Stanley than whether or not you got relegated. Winning games, going up or down - to him its all part of the process and the process is the important thing - the outputs are peripheral.

You lot would love him and he'd make you proper proud to be Evertonians. If anyone in world football comes close to your motto, then its him.

Like a cult, but a good one with a kindly old man who just wants everyone to enjoy playing and watching football.
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I remember Wigan fans adoring Martinez.
 
Wait a minute. Leeds sacked Bielsa becuase they were going down under him and after doing so just they about managed to stay up.

Now we are seriously considering appointing him because he might be the man keep us up.......?!

Can only assume that the board have already accepted relegation and this would be a longer term appointment to get us back up quickly.
 

good times bad times said:
Wait a minute. Leeds sacked Bielsa becuase they were going down under him and after doing so just they about managed to stay up.

Now we are seriously considering appointing him because he might be the man keep us up.......?!

Can only assume that the board have already accepted relegation and this would be a longer term appointment to get us back up quickly.
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TBF Bielsa does have a shelf life - at Athletic they were boss for about two seasons, Leeds maybe three but in both cases the players got sick of it. As long as the players buy into it (or rather as long as enough of the players buy into it) then it works for a bit.

If these were ok times then I would swerve him for that reason but these are not ok times and we need someone to come in and completely revamp the minds of the squad, which he will do (for better or worse). If he is appointed though he has to be fully backed and empowered, none of this "legends of the club" hanging about or players running off to Moshiri or Kenwrong to bitch, anyone who steps out of line has to be smashed.
 
Could you Honestly get 2 more completely opposite playing systems then Lamps and Bielsa..
One Training session with this squad of crocks and he'll walk...

Also you've got to factor in we're already collapsing because of things like no talk from the board.
And now were talking about a manager that uses an interpreter. How long before that starts riling fans...
 

Jim Kirk said:
Leeds fan who's lived in Liverpool for 30 years. This would kill me inside if this happened.

That said, If he fancies it then I hope he makes it a success for his sake. We sacked him out of a kneejerk reaction. Leeds fan love Bielsa - and it goes beyond the football. Having a guy who makes clubs sign contracts which have, in effect, integrity clauses, who see's his real boss as the fans of the club, who doesn't give a hoot about money and trappings of success (at Leeds he lived in a 1 bedroom flat above a sweet shop near Wetherby town centre and had a battered old fiat) is such a breath of fresh air in these days of hypocritical football greed that its hard not to get onboard with the guy.

You may or may not get relegated with him, he's a sh*t or bust type but you would certainly get::

1 - A clear footballing style, no plan B - just do plan A better.
2 - Totally honest and forthright, does what he says - says what he does type. No bullshit at all.
3 - A manager who wouldn't touch the Liverpool job with a barge pole. He wouldn't be interested in all that, he'd fancy the Everton job (if the board relinquish just about all control to him - which would be a clear requirement) - right up his street
4 - A manager who does speak perfectly good English, he just doesn't like speaking to the media and is wary of being misinterpreted if he makes an error in language.
5 - A manager who gets fined every week for refusing to do the contracted 7 interviews after a game. Bielsa caps out at 3 and pays a fine instead.
6 - He makes players do manual work for 3-4 hours a week, to simulate the effort most fans have to go through to earn enough money to buy a ticket to the match.
7 - How you do things are more important than what you do. Winning games is probably about number 6 on his priority list. Sounds weird, but is surprisingly easy to get your head around when you get into it - Leeds fans cheered and supported him madly, even when City where sticking 7 past our kids during the injury crisis that got him sacked. I can confirm we never did that for Neil Warnock....
8 - He would place more importance on how your academy kids where developing on loan at Accrington Stanley than whether or not you got relegated. Winning games, going up or down - to him its all part of the process and the process is the important thing - the outputs are peripheral.

You lot would love him and he'd make you proper proud to be Evertonians. If anyone in world football comes close to your motto, then its him.

Like a cult, but a good one with a kindly old man who just wants everyone to enjoy playing and watching football.
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I’m in love with him already
 
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tsubaki said:
TBF Bielsa does have a shelf life - at Athletic they were boss for about two seasons, Leeds maybe three but in both cases the players got sick of it. As long as the players buy into it (or rather as long as enough of the players buy into it) then it works for a bit.

If these were ok times then I would swerve him for that reason but these are not ok times and we need someone to come in and completely revamp the minds of the squad, which he will do (for better or worse). If he is appointed though he has to be fully backed and empowered, none of this "legends of the club" hanging about or players running off to Moshiri or Kenwrong to bitch, anyone who steps out of line has to be smashed.
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I don’t think it’s sick of it, I think it’s can’t physically continue to do it.

Bielsa himself has said he needs to constantly refresh his sides, due to the physical demands of his methods.

Liverpool are similar. Run into the ground until there’s nothing left.
 
barneygumble said:
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I don’t think it’s sick of it, I think it’s can’t physically continue to do it.

Bielsa himself has said he needs to constantly refresh his sides, due to the physical demands of his methods.

Liverpool are similar. Run into the ground until there’s nothing left.
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not sure that was the case - with Athletic at least the squad CBA with it after a while, they weren't physically broken and some of them (Llorente, Martinez) binned the club off for more money and better prospects
 

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