2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[brieverton]

Some good, informative posts that makes me feel even more negative about our short term prospects.

Silva's honeymoon period is over and now the pressure is on it will be interesting how he reacts. Is a one trick pony?
His/his teams reaction to the anfield late disappointment has been pathetic.

His discussions with Brands must surely include him saying
1) we need a `top 6' class keeper to put pressure/replace Pickford
2) We need a `top 6' class right back to replace Coleman if he doesn't rediscover his old form/speed.
3) We need 2 `top 6' class centre half with proper pace.
4) We need 1/2 `top 6 class' defensive centre mids and an attacking right midfielder.
5) We need 2 `top 6' class forwards.

Err that little lot you are looking at another 300 mill!

That is one way of looking at it. But I don't think we will spend anywhere near that in net terms + wages over the next couple of years. That would be Man City level of spending.

We don't have that type of money, we never had it, and there are other constraints.

There has been a big increase in spending but that has been off a very low base. Pity that almost all of it has been squandered but that's for another day.

We can afford to spend £30m -£40m on individual players but that's like buying someone 10 years ago for £15m. It doesn't buy top drawer and that's the conundrum we face.

The most we can hope for is that he gets 90% of the transfer decisions right, and players signed either become mainstays in the team over a decade or are sold for 2-3 times what we buy them for and the money is reinvested.

We can only approach strengthening the team and squad on a player by player and positional basis, one signing at a time. By definition that will take a few years at least, whilst hoping there is incremental progress in the interim.

The argument that's been had at the moment regarding Silva and his progress to date, feeds into that discussion but its too far too early to be definitive, and for the model Brands will follow, changing managers so soon will not form part of the brief.

 

[matty1878]

He’s the man.... just needs time and patience ( so fellow fans ) stop the knee jerking.

 

[COYBL25]

He’s the man.... just needs time and patience ( so fellow fans ) stop the knee jerking.

Welcome back ( again ) mate x

 

[devlinadl]

Some good, informative posts that makes me feel even more negative about our short term prospects.

Silva's honeymoon period is over and now the pressure is on it will be interesting how he reacts. Is a one trick pony?
His/his teams reaction to the anfield late disappointment has been pathetic.

His discussions with Brands must surely include him saying
1) we need a `top 6' class keeper to put pressure/replace Pickford
2) We need a `top 6' class right back to replace Coleman if he doesn't rediscover his old form/speed.
3) We need 2 `top 6' class centre half with proper pace.
4) We need 1/2 `top 6 class' defensive centre mids and an attacking right midfielder.
5) We need 2 `top 6' class forwards.

Err that little lot you are looking at another 300 mill!

Arsenal have bought a new GK, DC, DR, DM and CM for £80m. You can quibble with the quality of some of those signings (I'm thinking Lichsteiner) but it is possible to transform a squad for less than £300m.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

Some informative answers on Silva philosophy, thank you.

The stuff about me being an Allardyce advocate and therefore stupid is mindblowing. Some people would still think the world is
flat even if taken up in a space ship. I've always preferred to judge things/people on facts/rational/results than mass hysteria.

Crimhead states `and he likes playing defensive mids that can help support the outside backs and cover a ton of ground.'

Other than Gueye we don't have a single centre mid player at the club remotely capable of this to a decent standard. That is the main reason we were annihalated by Spurs and will continue to get tonked by the best teams,

Is it Brands fault for failling to secure this kind of centre mid or Silvas fault for not pushing for it and/or playing in a way that this strikingly obvious huge deficiancy gets exposed?

My guess is that Brands figured with Morgan, Gana, Beni, McCarthy, and Davies there, they'd add a badly needed box to box type in Gomes and Silva would try and make it work.

Our CB, LB, and attacking situations were so dire that they HAD to be addressed first. That's my guess.

It's going to take a couple windows.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

Arsenal have bought a new GK, DC, DR, DM and CM for £80m. You can quibble with the quality of some of those signings (I'm thinking Lichsteiner) but it is possible to transform a squad for less than £300m.

Yeah, but they've spent like that for some time. The two strikers cost 100M between the two of them. That was fueled by selling, but they bought several windows prior.

And our team has definitely been transformed to an extent. We are just not as good as we are early in the development cycle.

 

[devlinadl]

Yeah, but they've spent like that for some time. The two strikers cost 100M between the two of them. That was fueled by selling, but they bought several windows prior.

And our team has definitely been transformed to an extent. We are just not as good as we are early in the development cycle.

I think those two strikers cost even more (like £110m+). Even so, that's less £200m for seven players, and presumably some money would be coming back from selling players. Still a lot of money, mind.

 

[HKIV]

Agree with alot of this.

If we are buying in the 20-40mill range you should generally be getting mid-top 6 class prem players. You have to get lucky to get a young hungry lad who will go on to be top 4/champions league class.

That is why we desperately need the most talented manager Moshiri can buy to mould a team that can challenge for top 4/5.

I have to honest, absolutely nothing in his history or at Everton suggests Silva is that man. He is a young manager that has shown bits of promise with clubs of lower stature to Everton. A very strange decision to have gambled on him by Moshiri.

 

[Goat]

Agree with alot of this.

If we are buying in the 20-40mill range you should generally be getting mid-top 6 class prem players. You have to get lucky to get a young hungry lad who will go on to be top 4/champions league class.

That is why we desperately need the most talented manager Moshiri can buy to mould a team that can challenge for top 4/5.

I have to honest, absolutely nothing in his history or at Everton suggests Silva is that man. He is a young manager that has shown bits of promise with clubs of lower stature to Everton. A very strange decision to have gambled on him by Moshiri.

But we have the best manager we can attract.

 

[Toffeelover]

But we have the best manager we can attract.

That Goat is the bottom line.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

We don't play a high press or a counter press very often. Those are also different tactics.

There wasn’t much pressing going on against Spurs!

 

[Berenger]

Liverpool have spent 353m in the last 5 transfer windows, they have a net spend of 50m in that period.

Arsenal have spent 232m in the last 5 transfer windows, net spend 115m

Tottenham have spent 168m in the last 5 transfer windows, net spend 65m.

We have spent 323m in the last 5 transfer windows net spend 164m.

Let's not say we haven't got the money the top 6 have.

Completely ignoring the starting points of all the teams = biased analysis. Take it back 10-15 years and you might be closer to something unbiased.

 

[sageyefc]

But we have the best manager we can attract.

Where's the ambition!!!!' Get that mourinho in!!!!

 

[blue to the bone]

Where's the ambition!!!!' Get that mourinho in!!!!

He's a dud mate.
Simeone for me

 

[devlinadl]

Why is the comparison always with Liverpool? How about Tottenham? 10 years ago, both clubs were arguably in the same place, and I think Everton have a higher wage bill than Tottenham as well.