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CRIMHEAD said:
But the years prior matter. Liverpool broke the bank on CB, CM/DM, and GK. After they had a decent team. The incremental improvement once you are a good team is expensive. We aren't there yet.
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Oh I completely agree. I was just arguing that the numbers being quoted were incorrect.
 
JobForTheMoyes said:
Everybody want to play high press at the moment, with lots of running. This tactic is not as new as some think - Milan played high energy football under Sacchi in the late 80s. There was a documentary about it and the players said that while it was highly successful, it was too exhausting to be sustainable. And this was for a team that was packed with the top players of the day.

Now Guardiola plays a high press, but also with a lot of possession. Even here he spends a few years at a club before moving on to his next project.

I just wonder how long before something else becomes the Vogue. Even Klopp said he is being more selective about employing the press, and that he wants to save it for when they really need it.
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It is a highly formidable tactic if the team consist of good dribbler with pace and creativity. Alex Ferguson employ this tactic to a variable degree of similarity throughout his highly successful tenure.
Lesser teams tends to adopt this as it’s a very efficient way to create problems for bigger teams. However, there are only a rare amount of manager who can execute this game plan successfully throughout their career, Klopp being one of them. It’s a joy to watch if execute efficiently.

I’m not sure our problem lies with not having the players suited for this style or not having the manager being able to execute this plan successfully at the moment.
 
kleew said:
Everton style of play and tempo is up there with the top 4, only the player calibers n skills aren't as top notch aside a couple of them that can carry the type of game play. And Everton played too open a game and the defence contingency mindset as a team against any form of counter attacks needs to be addressed, else opponents will just capitalise on our openness n punish us. When we loose possession, more often than not we shouldn't be pressing too high up in their part of the pitch in a non controlled fashion. We should dropped back at least to our half (esp against the top 4) and execute a tighter pressing fr that part of the pitch, leaving no room for their 'clever' runs behind our back four.
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Top 4 toilets in the country.
 

toffee-L said:
It was a tactical horror show yesterday, no doubt at all. The full backs played too high, allowing Son huge spaces on the flanks to receive the ball and start running at our centre backs. Gomes and Davies didn't have a clue who they were supposed to be tracking, or which spaces they had to close off. There was no were near enough work from our wide players either in helping back. Total suicide football.

Talk of sacking him however is completely premature. We aren't touching the top 6 this season (look at the gulf in quality yesterday) and even if we finish 7th, we're going to have a period of poor form. The horror show at Anfield has had a huge impact on us and several players in the team, Pickford most of all. There have been very positive signs in some games this season, we were excellent at the Emirates and Anfield, pretty good at Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge and we probably created more clear cut chances at Manchester City than any other side in the league will manage this season. Even yesterday if it wasn't for yet another top 6 status quo referee, we would have gone 2-0 and maybe Spurs wouldn't have recovered from that?

We're a work in progress, we have a good team but it's not a patch on the top 6 sides in the league. Our points return has been disappointing but it's really a consequence of the last 5 games, we were all feeling very positive about this side before this run. Silva needs to do what Martinez was completely incapable of doing and that is being able to turn around poor form. Martinez couldn't reverse poor spells of form of 4-5 games and they would extend in to season killers. If Silva can't do it either he will go the same way, which would be a great shame.
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Exactly this. I think that was a big kick in the balls that we haven't recovered from... and the tactics against Spurs exploded any remaining confidence we might have still had.
 
Axlswhk said:
It is a highly formidable tactic if the team consist of good dribbler with pace and creativity. Alex Ferguson employ this tactic to a variable degree of similarity throughout his highly successful tenure.
Lesser teams tends to adopt this as it’s a very efficient way to create problems for bigger teams. However, there are only a rare amount of manager who can execute this game plan successfully throughout their career, Klopp being one of them. It’s a joy to watch if execute efficiently.

I’m not sure our problem lies with not having the players suited for this style or not having the manager being able to execute this plan successfully at the moment.
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True, but Fergie employed a number of different approaches over the years. That’s why he was so good - was never afraid to change his team and tactics. The team at the end were quite dour and workmanlike, after they lost the Rooney-Tevez-Ronaldo front three.
 
Axlswhk said:
It is a highly formidable tactic if the team consist of good dribbler with pace and creativity. Alex Ferguson employ this tactic to a variable degree of similarity throughout his highly successful tenure.
Lesser teams tends to adopt this as it’s a very efficient way to create problems for bigger teams. However, there are only a rare amount of manager who can execute this game plan successfully throughout their career, Klopp being one of them. It’s a joy to watch if execute efficiently.

I’m not sure our problem lies with not having the players suited for this style or not having the manager being able to execute this plan successfully at the moment.
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Also, doesn’t it become less effective when everyone is doing it? It certainly mitigates the positives when it is not a style rarely played against. Might be time to look at the history books to reinvent a once formidable style for the modern day.
 
JobForTheMoyes said:
Also, doesn’t it become less effective when everyone is doing it? It certainly mitigates the positives when it is not a style rarely played against. Might be time to look at the history books to reinvent a once formidable style for the modern day.
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IMO it’s only ineffective if front 5 players does not posses the required trait to be successful. Lots of team tried to emulate but to be honest such highly skill forward players are expensive/rare hence we don’t see it duplicated very often. Klopp struggle with this approach during his first season without sane and Salah.

It’s very difficult to defend against 4 pacy creative dribbler if you’re deep in offensive posture(full back high up)while losing the ball in vulnerable areas.

We do have fast and pacy players but they are not very good at dribbling or having the vision to execute this approach. Having said that, the disjointed approach could be due to the tactical limitation of Silva as well. Too early to tell at the moment.
 

Agent Blue said:
It's a fair point you make looking at our league placings but at least we have money to spend and a manager who appreciates all three areas of the pitch(def, mid, attack).
Moyes set us up not to lose but that meant paying the price in the bigger games by not having a proper go. Martinez set us up to attack more but treated the defence and GK positions as an afterthought and that really cost us, arguably right up until this last summer window. Koeman and Walsh absolutely
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The money thing is relevant to the other clubs though...until we break the British transfer record for a player. Btw it would be interesting to see what Moyes could have done with the level of spending we do have now considering some of the gems he unearthed on a very limited budget...Arteta, Pienaar, Coleman etc. We,re trying to play fancy dan football under MS and we don't have the players to do it...that,s why we just got bummed by Spurs...at home.
 
DungaDog said:
The money thing is relevant to the other clubs though...until we break the British transfer record for a player. Btw it would be interesting to see what Moyes could have done with the level of spending we do have now considering some of the gems he unearthed on a very limited budget...Arteta, Pienaar, Coleman etc. We,re trying to play fancy dan football under MS and we don't have the players to do it...that,s why we just got bummed by Spurs...at home.
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Moyes had all the money he could wish for at Man Utd and still failed.
 

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