Martinez new Belgium head coach

[Goat]

Ha Ha. I love your facts and figures. They're funny.

Koeman spent more in two weeks this January than any previous Everton manger has ever spent in an entire season.

Chequebook Ronnie.

Koeman thread if you wanna talk about Ronny, Dave.

 

[bring the ghost on]

Can't really agree with that mate. First half of last season are attacking play was as good as we've seen in a long time. Nothing boring about it. It was the defence that was letting us down.

We'll have to disagree mate. Every match I watched in Martinez's last season, I thought we looked doomed from the outset due to his stubbornness with regards to his tactical set-up. Every team set up to play against us in the same high-pressing/counter-attacking manner, and it stifled us. Made the games real chores to watch.

 

[bring the ghost on]

It was a way of playing football that we haven't seen at the club since the glory days: on the ball, controlling the tempo of games and constructing passing moves. That was a major shift in emphasis from the crude direct football we'd seen in the decade or so before it...the muck you no doubt prefer.

See above, you may have watched Martinez's last season through the rose tinted spectacles of his first, but I thought we looked in awful shape for most of it.

However, don't let that stop you branding me "bitterati" though (that's a poor one Davek, even for you).

 

[Cork Evertonian]

You're living in a world of caricatures mate.

We played probably some of our best stuff under Martinez in the first half of last season when we had very good form. And the second season up until the away game at Spurs was very acceptable form given we were also juggling the EL campaign.

It was a way of playing football that we haven't seen at the club since the glory days: on the ball, controlling the tempo of games and constructing passing moves. That was a major shift in emphasis from the crude direct football we'd seen in the decade or so before it...the muck you no doubt prefer.

We were 13th on 44 points when Martinez was fired.He had us in 13th in a season when Man United Man City Arsenal and Chelsea weren't at the races.At the end of the day it's a results based business and Martinez just wasn't getting them.

 

[Vault]

Martinez left us with utter garbage.

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We're 11th in the league, with a squad of players who most teams would kill for. It takes a special kind of bad manager to get a squad like this in the bottom half.

Besic and Mori are good signings

McCarthy and Besic will tear the league up

Keep: Besic, Deulofeu, Barkley, Stones & Lukaku

We have some really good, young players that we could build a future team around:

Coleman, Stones, Besic, McCarthy, Barkley, Lukaku

Holgate and Galloway should be starting for us

Really starting to like Robles as our No.1.

without Lukaku we would be in a relegation battle

 

[hktoffee]

We were 13th on 44 points when Martinez was fired.He had us in 13th in a season when Man United Man City Arsenal and Chelsea weren't at the races.At the end of the day it's a results based business and Martinez just wasn't getting them.

Fortunately there is no tyrant in this matter otherwise he is going to rewrite the history book. How on earth there is valid point to argue in connection with the crappy tactics and the inability to setup a defence. 21 league wins in 75 games in 2 seasons combined. This is madness someone actually came out and is arguing that this is controlling pocession football. Ridiculous.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

We'll have to disagree mate. Every match I watched in Martinez's last season, I thought we looked doomed from the outset due to his stubbornness with regards to his tactical set-up. Every team set up to play against us in the same high-pressing/counter-attacking manner, and it stifled us. Made the games real chores to watch.

I understand this but from a defensive viewpoint. We must have been watching different matches mate as far as the boring part goes.

As I say, I'm talking of the first half of the season

 

[hktoffee]

I understand this but from a defensive viewpoint. We must have been watching different matches mate as far as the boring part goes.

As I say, I'm talking of the first half of the season

Winning games is the problem. A season is not counted through 19 games but 38. Two seasons in a row filled with ultmost naive tactics and defensive displays. This is non defensible.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Winning games is the problem. A season is not counted through 19 games but 38. Two seasons in a row filled with ultmost naive tactics and defensive displays. This is non defensible.

I wasn't defending the tactics, the results or the defensive displays. I was simply answering a post that claimed our last 2 seasons were full of totally boring football. I refuted this because I remember the first half of last season and a great deal of matches where myself, most of the posters on here and the national and local media were creaming themselves over our attacking displays.

In the end the last 2 seasons were bad enough for us all to be glad there behind us without making them out to be even worse than they were

 

[ianefc]

21 wins in 75 league games.

 

[davek]

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Ha ha ha ha.

@GwladysBlue

No coming back from that.

 

[MikeH72]

21 wins in 75 league games.

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[hktoffee]

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13th

It doesn't matter. 2 SF medals in one season. This club ALMOST won 2 domestic cups last season. And 5th is about the same as 15th anyway. Most importantly, the 72 points holy grail. This is the free pass for every sin RM had done and spoken.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Ha ha ha ha.

@GwladysBlue

No coming back from that.

Really?

Opinions change throughout seasons. Naturally.

My point that Koeman won't keep the names I highlighted stands, and his is the only opinion that matters.

Look at where Cleverly, Niassé ended up and who McCarthy and Koné were linked.

Martinez deserves no credit at all for Lukaku, everyone knew how good he was.

 

[Prevenger17]

Look at where Cleverly, Niassé ended up and who McCarthy and Koné were linked.

A manager made some bad signings??? I need to lie down