mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
To win the FA Cup with Wigan beating City in the final is an outstanding achievement. Hence the should that he's a very good cup manager my mate.
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To win the FA Cup with Wigan beating City in the final is an outstanding achievement. Hence the should that he's a very good cup manager my mate.
Cork Evertonian
Player Valuation: £50m
I only judge an Everton managers worth by the trophies they won.Going by that criteria Martinez is in the same boat as Billy Bingham Gordon Lee Mike Walker Walter Smith and David Moyes in my book.
Martnez got us 5th, 1 place less than 4th which we achieved under Moyes. League position trumps points every time. This is what Bobby the great left with us (are you ready)
- Won just four Premier League matches in 2016 and taken only nine points from his last 12 matches
- Won just 10 league games all season - only the bottom four have a worse record
- Conceded 3+ goals 11 times in all competitions this season
- have conceded 3+ goals in 20 of Roberto Martinez's 113 Premier League games
- Seven of HIS last eight victories came against teams in the bottom six
- We have faced 121 shots in his last five games in all competitions (24+ shots per game)
- 10 times (2016 season) we have conceded twice within six mins (seven times within four mins)
- We lost 48 points from winning positions during Martinez's three years in charge
- Zero points recovered from losing positions since early December 2016 (22 PL games)
And the Cherry on top of the pie
Martinez recorded Everton's worst haul - 20 points - at home in the club's 138-year history before the season's end
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
All that and it didn't address the elephant in the living room: Camelot. Season 2013/14....
“Don't let it be forgot, that once there was a spot, for one brief shining moment, that was known as Camelot.”
We can have our poor seasons and mediocre seasons and 7th place trophy seasons, but that season kept the beacon lit - the beacon that's lit the way in this club's history toward periods where only quality football is or can be acceptable. That torch remains lit now, but it's been placed one side. It waits for the next manager who wishes to take it in hand and lead us back to the kind of football we have been renowned for in the past. A scientific game. One that emphasises creativity over all else and matches perspiration with equal measures of inspiration.
Dave's post does ignore that we have played some decent football recently with Koeman at the helm and it looks like we're going to see more in the near future, but I'll allow him his moment...
That torch died on its arse when we recorded our worst home points haul, ever
Praise the Ronkster for giving us hope.
And 121 shots against us in 5 games, lolz everywhere David, everywhere.
Anyway amigo, I've updated my "noticeable Improvements" thread for your consideration, brings a tear to my eye to see how the Ronkster is making us great again
Booooo bobby the fraud
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Tbf, you have to get further than 7th in the table to be considered making a team great again.
Let him just focus on chasing 6th for now. There's always next season for him to try and get the extra points in a season that could break our PL record total and secure that CL place. If he gets another £80M to spend on top of the £80M he's already spent I think he can give that a go.
Shame bobby couldn't achieve 4th like our previous manager, finishing 5th on a million points is irrelevant
At least he'll go down in memory for delivering us our worst home record in our beautiful history. That's something that never be beaten. Cheers bobby
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Everton PL points record is 72 points. No manager of the club has got anywhere near even 70 points.
That's the bar Koeman has to get over to reach the standards set that season.
Tbf, I think this season he can beat someone like Moyes' best of 65 points. Then let's see if he can make an assault on the 72 point citadel next season.
It isn't though Dave is it?
If Koeman wins the Premier League with 71 points then he has surpassed Martinez automatically, because he's won the League where Martinez didn't
If Koeman qualifies for the Champions League on more than one occasion with less than 72 points on each occasions, he will have surpassed Martinez
League Position > Points Total when it comes to importance
Martinez got 72 points in a season where there was a massive gap between the top 7 and everyone else, so much so that 72 points only got him 5th when in a more even League it would have probably got him top 4
Once the quality of the League got better in the next two seasons, Martinez did far worse whereas Koeman has now been able to keep pace with two different clubs
72 points is not the target, beating or matching 5th place is, and there's an outside chance he can do that this season
If he gets 5th with less than 72 points this season he will have matched Martinez IMO because the League in 16/17 is of a tougher standard than it was in 13/14
Context is important Dave, it's not just about numbers, you rapscallion you
So United have won the league with 75 points but come second on 89. Which do they celebrate and see as more of an achievement?
TrixyStevens
Player Valuation: £35m
Fantastic
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
Did you care? You said 5th = 15th yourselves. Moyes had done it for 3/4 times.
Who cares how much Koeman is going to spend. Martinez does not deserve to spend those that's why he was sacked.
You do know we won stuff prior to the formation of the PL, it's meaningless what bobby got. The Ronk will have heights set of HC and HK, not that fraud. That's how history is made, certainly not by recording the worst home record points total in 138 years
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