Martinez new Belgium head coach

[hktoffee]

I strongly suggest reading the rest of what the lad's written, Khal. Out of respect, if nothing else.

Plus he's got very valid points, and is not trying to rewrite history at all, literally stating facts.

To defend the fraud and claim 2014-2016 were alright for Everton is rewriting history.

 

[davek]

Are you actually having a laugh? "some rollicking home games" we won SIX home league games all season and only FIVE of them were under Martinez! Let's talk about those five home wins shall we? Bournemouth was terrible and we were lucky in the end to nick the 2-1 in what proved to be thankfully the final home game of the frauds time here, Newcastle was abysmal the game was a painful slog and it was only with the help of two late pens that it made the scoreline sound better then it was. Villa was a 4-0 derserved win, clap clap clap for Roberto we managed to beat a team that practically everyone beat last season! The Chelsea game? An inspired one man showing from Naismith when they were falling apart and the 6-2 against Sunderland during which Kone scored a hattrick thus showing just how poor Sunderland were on the day and to take any gloss of that day, Martinez goes and gives Kone a years extention based on one single match! The man is borderline certifiable! I suppose we can also throw in the 2-0 FA cup home win against Chelsea which was actually an awful game settled with a moment of magic from Rom.

You expect me to guve him credit for enjoyable home defeats? GTF! The 4-3 defeat against Stoke, the 3-2 against West Ham and the 3-2 against Leicester were an embarrassment to the club all to pacify the ego of the charlatan and his obsession with his philosophy. I was as angry about those defeats as I've been about any home league defeats in years. They were a joke and the managers tactics were directly responsible or us losing all three of them.

Better away records than this campaign in all three seasons RM was here. Some rollicking games amongst them too.

In the "two dross seasons" BTW we were the last English club playing in Europe and reached two cup SFs.

...and still holds the never-to-be-broken-this-decade most wins and points in a season record.


Three seasons here.

The history books will show that - though in the end his failure to keep a group of professionals playing like professionals - his time here reintroducing passing football to a club that had gained the unwanted reputation as a hoofball club, and his cup runs and first league campaign, marks him down as one of the better managers since the post HKI era ended. That's what the history books will show, not the bitter forum posts of a handful of hard core detractors.

 

[Khalekan]

I strongly suggest reading the rest of what the lad's written, Khal. Out of respect, if nothing else.

Plus he's got very valid points, and is not trying to rewrite history at all, literally stating facts.

Well, he wasn't stating a fact when our conversation started, Dual.

The point I replied to was when he stated that "all of season 15/16" was dire, or words to that effect.

It quite demonstrably was not and I laid out the reasons why it was not.

(That season was going quite well until the Bournemouth collapse but that is another discussion )

As for reading the rest of his post out of "respect", I tend to give shirt shrift to people leading a post to me with smart Alec remarks telling me my opinion is a "joke".

I never dismiss people in that way and will not tolerate such behaviour directed my way.

In other words, when people behave respectfully toward ol' Khal they are accorded all the respect in the world in return.

But I have neither the time nor the inclination to get involved in yah boo shenanigans on t' Internet

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Better away records than this campaign in all three seasons RM was here. Some rollicking games amongst them too.

In the "two dross seasons" BTW we were the last English club playing in Europe and reached two cup SFs.

...and still holds the never-to-be-broken-this-decade most wins and points in a season record.


Three seasons here.

The history books will show that - though in the end his failure to keep a group of professionals playing like professionals - his time here reintroducing passing football to a club that had gained the unwanted reputation as a hoofball club, and his cup runs and first league campaign, marks him down as one of the better managers since the post HKI era ended. That's what the history books will show, not the bitter forum posts of a handful of hard core detractors.

We won five away league matches during 15-16 Dave! Just one more then we've managed this season. Both four and five are completely unacceptable but the difference this season is that Koeman has a brilliant home record to prop up his shocking away record. Koeman obviously realised that he needed to prioritise and did so, not great I agree but better then what was happening before. We've won a total of 17 league games this season which is seven which is 21 points difference! We've lot twice this season at home and we lost eight times at home last season. We lost more home games last season then we won that season or the one before!

We've had this talk over his cup runs Dave. We played nobody who we shouldn't be beating comfortably in the league cup run until Man City when supirse surprise we lost! Ditto for the FA cup run apart from the Chelsea match which I've given Martinez credit for his small part in that. All of this is irrelevant anyway because reaching a semi final isn't an achevent at Everton Football Club! It might be for the Martinez fan in but not here. Reaching the last 16 of the Europa isn't an achevent either. Moyes did it and it wasn't an achevent them either!

Martinez is a failure and will always be remembered so.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Well, he wasn't stating a fact when our conversation started, Dual.

The point I replied to was when he stated that "all of season 15/16" was dire, or words to that effect.

It quite demonstrably was not and I laid out the reasons why it was not.

(That season was going quite well until the Bournemouth collapse but that is another discussion )

As for reading the rest of his post out of "respect", I tend to give shirt shrift to people leading a post to me with smart Alec remarks telling me my opinion is a "joke".

I never dismiss people in that way and will not tolerate such behaviour directed my way.

In other words, when people behave respectfully toward ol' Khal they are accorded all the respect in the world in return.

But I have neither the time nor the inclination to get involved in yah boo shenanigans on t' Internet

See I don't agree with that. Maybe not *all* of the season, but about 90% was utter shambles - we were playing badly, losing the same way over and over and over, etc., so I can't really agree with your opinion. We also won about 1 game at home all season (and 11 in the league overall), so I can't see how it wasn't horrible. That whole form reflected in the sacking of the manager for poor results, after all.

Fair on the last points, like, and I don't really bother reading back in this thread as it's mostly Dave arguing non-points and baiting people while probably giggling like a kid at Christmas sitting in his chair, so... lol

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

As for reading the rest of his post out of "respect", I tend to give shirt shrift to people leading a post to me with smart Alec remarks telling me my opinion is a "joke".

Except I didn't do that did I? I didn't say your opinion was a joke. I don't know why you've decided to take what I wrote that way mate and I think your being overly sensitive.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Better away records than this campaign in all three seasons RM was here. Some rollicking games amongst them too.

In the "two dross seasons" BTW we were the last English club playing in Europe and reached two cup SFs.

...and still holds the never-to-be-broken-this-decade most wins and points in a season record.


Three seasons here.

The history books will show that - though in the end his failure to keep a group of professionals playing like professionals - his time here reintroducing passing football to a club that had gained the unwanted reputation as a hoofball club, and his cup runs and first league campaign, marks him down as one of the better managers since the post HKI era ended. That's what the history books will show, not the bitter forum posts of a handful of hard core detractors.

Good stuff, we collected the "72 Points Trophy", two "Semi Finalist" trophies, got the "Last 16 in the EL" medal (as well as the "Last English team in EL" trophy) and, to boot, we got the "Worst Home Record in our History" trophy and the "Nearly Relegated" medal.

 

[hktoffee]

Better away records than this campaign in all three seasons RM was here. Some rollicking games amongst them too.

In the "two dross seasons" BTW we were the last English club playing in Europe and reached two cup SFs.

...and still holds the never-to-be-broken-this-decade most wins and points in a season record.


Three seasons here.

The history books will show that - though in the end his failure to keep a group of professionals playing like professionals - his time here reintroducing passing football to a club that had gained the unwanted reputation as a hoofball club, and his cup runs and first league campaign, marks him down as one of the better managers since the post HKI era ended. That's what the history books will show, not the bitter forum posts of a handful of hard core detractors.

The last two seasons home records were absolutely atrocious. In fact, the last two seasons had been absolutely atrocious. That was where the problem laid. He won 21 or 22 out of 75 league matches which caused him the sack. To use getting into the semi as a get away card is nonsense. Small-time thinking. People will not care how many semi you get into without winning the cups.

Time after time you utilize the one and only season as the argument. You ignore his 2nd and 3rd season and pick bits and pieces to suit your agenda. The history book will show he got 5th once in three seasons following the departure of Moyes. When the fraud put his signings and ideas into the team, disaster strikes. His time here will remind people how clueless he is on defending. He cannot setup a defence nor did not seem to practice set-pieces. His naive tactics let us witnessed the worst ever home record for the club in one season. A shamble. His endless spouting of crap will make him remember as a fraud by many. Moyes got 4th and 5th twice with literally small sum of net spend, this outclassed Martinez as an Everton manager.

Propaganda will not make one person to become competent for his job. In such case, RM failed miserably. He took this club backwards. The club was in a worse position when you compare the time when he was sacked by the Mosh and the time when Moyes left for Man Utd.

 

[GwladysPhil]

He did well in his first season utilising the defensive foundations with his possession game.

It was when he added his own signings and tactics that we started to fall apart.

He had an agreed deal for El Mohamady which was thankfully cancelled as soon as Koeman came in.

 

[hktoffee]

He did well in his first season utilising the defensive foundations with his possession game.

It was when he added his own signings and tactics that we started to fall apart.

He had an agreed deal for El Mohamady which was thankfully cancelled as soon as Koeman came in.

He will slot in nicely with Cleverley, McGeady and Niasse etc. Would be marching to the Championship.

 

[davek]

Good stuff, we collected the "72 Points Trophy", two "Semi Finalist" trophies, got the "Last 16 in the EL" medal (as well as the "Last English team in EL" trophy) and, to boot, we got the "Worst Home Record in our History" trophy and the "Nearly Relegated" medal.

It is what it is: an above average record for a man in the dugout for just 3 seasons.

The history books wont contain the fumageddon from 4 or 5 posters on here.

 

[DualityNSNO]

It is what it is: an above average record for a man in the dugout for just 3 seasons.

The history books wont contain the fumageddon from 4 or 5 posters on here.

Or the banners or the booing or the toxic environment or the worst home record, right? By history books do you also mean "your imagination"?

PMSL at "above average" there as well. lol

And you gave that clown 3 seasons, but Koeman's been the wrong choice since day 1 for you. No chance for him, right?

 

[davek]

The last two seasons home records were absolutely atrocious. In fact, the last two seasons had been absolutely atrocious. That was where the problem laid. He won 21 or 22 out of 75 league matches which caused him the sack. To use getting into the semi as a get away card is nonsense. Small-time thinking. People will not care how many semi you get into without winning the cups.

Time after time you utilize the one and only season as the argument. You ignore his 2nd and 3rd season and pick bits and pieces to suit your agenda. The history book will show he got 5th once in three seasons following the departure of Moyes. When the fraud put his signings and ideas into the team, disaster strikes. His time here will remind people how clueless he is on defending. He cannot setup a defence nor did not seem to practice set-pieces. His naive tactics let us witnessed the worst ever home record for the club in one season. A shamble. His endless spouting of crap will make him remember as a fraud by many. Moyes got 4th and 5th twice with literally small sum of net spend, this outclassed Martinez as an Everton manager.

Propaganda will not make one person to become competent for his job. In such case, RM failed miserably. He took this club backwards. The club was in a worse position when you compare the time when he was sacked by the Mosh and the time when Moyes left for Man Utd.

No I dont, I analyse his time here warts an' all....which is the only way of reasonably assessing an ex-manager.*

When taking into account all of what happened - the good and the indifferent and the bad - we have a much more complex picture than you're frothing at the mouth about frauds and charlatans could ever offer. You're just not mature enough to give it.

*Edit: thought this was the ex managers thread - which is where this debate should be.

 

[hktoffee]

No I dont, I analyse his time here warts an' all....which is the only way of reasonably assessing an ex-manager.*

When taking into account all of what happened - the good and the indifferent and the bad - we have a much more complex picture than you're frothing at the mouth about frauds and charlatans could ever offer. You're just not mature enough to give it.

*Edit: thought this was the ex managers thread - which is where this debate should be.

What a load of nonsense. I can't see how mature you are when you slate Koeman from day 1 while wetting yourself everytime you mention the semi medals and the 72 points trophy. This is so small-time.

 

[davek]

Or the banners or the booing or the toxic environment or the worst home record, right? By history books do you also mean "your imagination"?

PMSL at "above average" there as well. lol

And you gave that clown 3 seasons, but Koeman's been the wrong choice since day 1 for you. No chance for him, right?

Banners out and booing / banners on reopening the school of science and songs about Bobby brown shoes.

They cancel each other out.

As said though, the ex managers thread looks a better fit for this.