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Martinez new Belgium head coach

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LiamG said:
I'll make one last argument for Martinez.

He is the only manager in almost 30 years I thought we had a chance when playing the top teams without parking the bus and hoping to nick it.
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Sticking to his style and being fearless is all well and good in theory but when you rember the amount of hidings we took because of his style it becomes less impressive. Rember losing 4-0 twice at Castle Grayskull? Rember losing 6-3 At home to Chelsea? Rember losing 3-0 at home to Man Utd? Rember losing 5-2 away at Dymo Kiev? Rember going to Chelsea being 3-2 up in injury time and rather then doing the obvious thing and shutting them down we continued to play "free flowing" football and blew the win at the death? We did the same thing against Bornmouth to remember. How about all the games like West Ham losing 3-2 after being 2-0 up or losing 4-3 At home to Stoke despite being 2-1 up then 3-2 up?

Even the cup run nonsense is built on a lie! In 13-14 we cashed out of the league cup in the third round and went out at the quarter final stage in the FA Cup when we got bummed 4-1 against the only decent side we played. In 14-15 we went out of both the league and FA Cups at the third round stage and got hammerd in the last 16 stage of the Europa League, sombody get the parade ready we reached the last sixteen! And finally in 15-16 yes we did reach the semi-finals of both domestic cups but who did we play to get there? Such giants Barnsley, Reading amd Norwich in the league cup and Daignham & Redbridge, Carslie in the FA Cup before one admittedly good game against Chelsea where Lukaku was unplayable and they were crap. As soon as we came up against a decent side that was playing half way decent we got schooled and derservedly beat against Man City and Man Utd. So as you can see, when you look at the cold hard facts our cup run under Martinez weren't anything special in reailty.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
Sticking to his style and being fearless is all well and good in theory but when you rember the amount of hidings we took because of his style it becomes less impressive. Rember losing 4-0 twice at Castle Grayskull? Rember losing 6-3 At home to Chelsea? Rember losing 3-0 at gone to Man Utd? Rember losing 5-2 away at Dymo Kiev? Rember going to Chelsea being 3-2 up in injury time and rather then doing the obvious thing and shutting them down we continued to play "free flowing" football and blew the win at the death? We did the same thing against Bornmouth to remember. How about all the games like West Ham losing 3-2 after being 2-0 up or losing 4-3 At home to Stoke despite being 2-1 up then 3-2 up?

Even the run nonsense is built on a lie! In 13-14 we cashed out the league cup on the third round and went out at the quarter final stage on the FA Cup when we got bummed 4-1 against the only decent side we played. In 14-15 we went out of both the league and FA Cups at the third round stage and got hammerd in the last 16 stage of the Europa League, sombody get the parade ready we reached the last sixteen! And finally in 15-16 yes we did reach the semi-finals of both domestic cups but who did we play to get there? Such giants Barnsley, Reading amd Norwich in the league cup and Daignham & Redbridge, Carslie in the FA Cup before one admittedly good game against Chelsea where Lukaku was unplayable and they were crap. As soon as we came up against a decent side that was playing half way decent we got schooled and derservedly beat against Man City and Man Utd. So as you can see, when you look at the cold hard facts our cup run under Martinez weren't anything special in reailty.
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So much more depth than I could be arsed writing, but you pretty much nailed it there pal lol
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
Sticking to his style and being fearless is all well and good in theory but when you rember the amount of hidings we took because of his style it becomes less impressive. Rember losing 4-0 twice at Castle Grayskull? Rember losing 6-3 At home to Chelsea? Rember losing 3-0 at home to Man Utd? Rember losing 5-2 away at Dymo Kiev? Rember going to Chelsea being 3-2 up in injury time and rather then doing the obvious thing and shutting them down we continued to play "free flowing" football and blew the win at the death? We did the same thing against Bornmouth to remember. How about all the games like West Ham losing 3-2 after being 2-0 up or losing 4-3 At home to Stoke despite being 2-1 up then 3-2 up?

Even the cup run nonsense is built on a lie! In 13-14 we cashed out of the league cup on the third round and went out at the quarter final stage on the FA Cup when we got bummed 4-1 against the only decent side we played. In 14-15 we went out of both the league and FA Cups at the third round stage and got hammerd in the last 16 stage of the Europa League, sombody get the parade ready we reached the last sixteen! And finally in 15-16 yes we did reach the semi-finals of both domestic cups but who did we play to get there? Such giants Barnsley, Reading amd Norwich in the league cup and Daignham & Redbridge, Carslie in the FA Cup before one admittedly good game against Chelsea where Lukaku was unplayable and they were crap. As soon as we came up against a decent side that was playing half way decent we got schooled and derservedly beat against Man City and Man Utd. So as you can see, when you look at the cold hard facts our cup run under Martinez weren't anything special in reailty.
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Well still better than the rubbish we have seen for the last 2 years.
 
LiamG said:
Well still better than the rubbish we have seen for the last 2 years.
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Really mate? You just read everything I typed up and just shrugged it off to say the last two seasons were worse?! Lol, just no mate. Last season was vastly superior to either 14-15 or 15-16. Even this season is about the same level of garbage despite the fact that we've had three diffrent manager's!
 

Gwladysstreetlad said:
Sticking to his style and being fearless is all well and good in theory but when you rember the amount of hidings we took because of his style it becomes less impressive. Rember losing 4-0 twice at Castle Grayskull? Rember losing 6-3 At home to Chelsea? Rember losing 3-0 at home to Man Utd? Rember losing 5-2 away at Dymo Kiev? Rember going to Chelsea being 3-2 up in injury time and rather then doing the obvious thing and shutting them down we continued to play "free flowing" football and blew the win at the death? We did the same thing against Bornmouth to remember. How about all the games like West Ham losing 3-2 after being 2-0 up or losing 4-3 At home to Stoke despite being 2-1 up then 3-2 up?

Even the cup run nonsense is built on a lie! In 13-14 we cashed out of the league cup in the third round and went out at the quarter final stage in the FA Cup when we got bummed 4-1 against the only decent side we played. In 14-15 we went out of both the league and FA Cups at the third round stage and got hammerd in the last 16 stage of the Europa League, sombody get the parade ready we reached the last sixteen! And finally in 15-16 yes we did reach the semi-finals of both domestic cups but who did we play to get there? Such giants Barnsley, Reading amd Norwich in the league cup and Daignham & Redbridge, Carslie in the FA Cup before one admittedly good game against Chelsea where Lukaku was unplayable and they were crap. As soon as we came up against a decent side that was playing half way decent we got schooled and derservedly beat against Man City and Man Utd. So as you can see, when you look at the cold hard facts our cup run under Martinez weren't anything special in reailty.
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A few things.

The 6-3 loss to Chelsea was the best game I've ever watched that we lost.

The 3-3 with Chelsea was pure BS, it was offside and the ref simply wouldn't blow the final whistle. It was nothing to do with playing 'free flowing' football in my opinion. That's also probably the closest we've come to winning against a top side away lol.

A good cup run is a good cup run regardless of who you played to get there.

We were awesome in Europe under Martinez smashing teams like Wolfsburg 4-0. Admittedly the Kiev game was an embarrassing end to the journey.
 
Abraders said:
A few things.

The 6-3 loss to Chelsea was the best game I've ever watched that we lost.

The 3-3 with Chelsea was pure BS, it was offside and the ref simply wouldn't blow the final whistle. It was nothing to do with playing 'free flowing' football in my opinion. That's also probably the closest we've come to winning against a top side away lol.

A good cup run is a good cup run regardless of who you played to get there.

We were awesome in Europe under Martinez smashing teams like Wolfsburg 4-0. Admittedly the Kiev game was an embarrassing end to the journey.
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We reached the last sixteen mate. If you consider that "awesome" in Europe then I feel sorry for you because supporting Everton has clearly made you lose it. The last sixteen is in no way, shape or form awesome at all!

The 6-3 was an utter embarrassment to the club, we never looked like winning just playing suicidal football is far from good, especially when it's just being done to get a pat on the head from the side that humiliated you. If you honestly consider that to be the best losing performance you've ever seen from us then I feel sorry for you. I simply can't imagine being excited by conceding 6 (SIX!!!) goals At home.

The 3-3 was a joke, we had zero inability to out games to bed and we did the same thing at Bornmouth that season and numerous other times under Martinez. You say it was the closest we've come to beating a top side news flash mate, Chelsea finished 10th that season. They weren't a top side, loads of teams went to Stamford Bridge and got results that year. You also fail to mention the fact that we blew the lead not once, not twice but THREE F'N times! Don't pretend we were unlucky because we weren't mate.

A good cup run is worthless unless you win it. We are Everton football club mate, we might be run by people who have no ambition but I'm dammed if I'm going to pretend reaching a couple of semi-finals that we never looked like winning is a good thing!
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
We reached the last sixteen mate. If you consider that "awesome" in Europe then I feel sorry for you because supporting Everton has clearly made you lose it. The last sixteen is in no way, shape or form awesome at all!

The 6-3 was an utter embarrassment to the club, we never looked like winning just playing suicidal football is far from good, especially when it's just being done to get a pat on the head from the side that humiliated you. If you honestly consider that to be the best losing performance you've ever seen from us then I feel sorry for you. I simply can't imagine being excited by conceding 6 (SIX!!!) goals At home.

The 3-3 was a joke, we had zero inability to out games to bed and we did the same thing at Bornmouth that season and numerous other times under Martinez. You say it was the closest we've come to beating a top side news flash mate, Chelsea finished 10th that season. They weren't a top side, loads of teams went to Stamford Bridge and got results that year. You also fail to mention the fact that we blew the lead not once, not twice but THREE F'N times! Don't pretend we were unlucky because we weren't mate.

A good cup run is worthless unless you win it. We are Everton football club mate, we might be run by people who have no ambition but I'm dammed if I'm going to pretend reaching a couple of semi-finals that we never looked like winning is a good thing!
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That's like saying a good league season is worthless unless you win it.

Its clearly nonsense. The more games you win the more important the games become to the point that if you win enough then you put yourself in the position to actually win something. This is essential the same for every competition.

You seem to think each game is important and noteworthy in itself. It isn't. If it was then we may as well stick to playing friendlies.

I won't debate you on the individual games. You clearly have your view but I agree with @Abraders
 
LiamG said:
That's like saying a good league season is worthless unless you win it.

Its clearly nonsense. The more games you win the more important the games become to the point that if you win enough then you put yourself in the position to actually win something.

You seem to think each game is important and noteworthy in itself. It isn't. If it was then we may as well stick to playing friendlies.
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How is that remotely similer?! So in your mind, beating a load of lower league sides before going out to the first decent side you play is somthing to be proud of?!

Of course winning any cup game regardless of the opperation is a good, desrirable thing. It's just not somthing i think is worthy of boosting about.

You are the one suggested that because we beat a few lower league sides in the cup we should just shrug off all those humiliating defeats in the league.
 

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