Martinez new Belgium head coach

[TheBigIguana]

With his stock so high following the WC, I am a little surprised one of Europe's 'big boy' clubs hasn't contracted Bobby's services. I suspect he has had numerous offers and is just weighing up his options. It will be fascinating to see where he pitches tent.

The good news about his World Cup "success" is he will be getting a Premier League offer in the future. My guess is after 2020 he will be looking for another job and somebody, hopefully West Ham or Newcastle, will come calling

 

[BigMick]

I do admire the defeated trying to rally enough troops to make a fist of this still. It's like watching a bunch of Confederate soldiers with their arses hanging out of their kecks holding up their crutches to the passing Union army swarming over Georgia.

Your society has gone lads. It's fallen forever.

One thing's for certain: you're more Jeff Davis than 'Honest' Abe Lincoln.

Lincoln liked to garner all the facts before making any public statements and then use them to make a clear and reasoned argument in favour of a particular policy, whereas you're more like one of those demagogues (choose any one, there's plenty still around) who continually state half-truths, untruths, rumours and conjecture as facts, hoping to persuade by bluster and repetition, often, like you, in entertaining ways that are guaranteed to grab the headlines.

Here's one example:

Success everywhere he goes:

Swansea - dead and buried as a club: Martinez gets them an identity and playing again...a way of playing that takes them to the PL eventually and is retained to keep them there for years.

No-one denies that Roberto did very well at Swansea when they were in the lower divisions. They were the leagues that Bobby came from and where he probably belongs. You, however and rather like the 'maestro' himself, can't resist a bit of exaggeration: 'dead and buried as a club', whereas, as I'm sure you know, the truth is that the previous manager, Kenny Jackett, got them promoted from Div 2 in his 1st full season in charge, and reached the Div 1 play-offs in his 2nd where they lost in the final. That alone debunks your statement but, and as a lover of cup runs I'm sure you appreciate this, he also managed to win the Welsh Cup and the Football League Trophy. He resigned the following season, paving the way for 'our Bobby' to build on his successes - which he did, just as Rogers built on Roberto's achievements.

One other technique regularly employed by yourself, and beloved by political spin doctors, is to deflect away from any inconvenient truths by picking up on any slight mistake or exaggeration by their opponent and ignoring the rest of what they say, so I've deliberately slipped one in above for you and put it bold type.

 

[davek]

One thing's for certain: you're more Jeff Davis than 'Honest' Abe Lincoln.

Lincoln liked to garner all the facts before making any public statements and then use them to make a clear and reasoned argument in favour of a particular policy, whereas you're more like one of those demagogues (choose any one, there's plenty still around) who continually state half-truths, untruths, rumours and conjecture as facts, hoping to persuade by bluster and repetition, often, like you, in entertaining ways that are guaranteed to grab the headlines.

Here's one example:



No-one denies that Roberto did very well at Swansea when they were in the lower divisions. They were the leagues that Bobby came from and where he probably belongs. You, however and rather like the 'maestro' himself, can't resist a bit of exaggeration: 'dead and buried as a club', whereas, as I'm sure you know, the truth is that the previous manager, Kenny Jackett, got them promoted from Div 2 in his 1st full season in charge, and reached the Div 1 play-offs in his 2nd where they lost in the final. That alone debunks your statement but, and as a lover of cup runs I'm sure you appreciate this, he also managed to win the Welsh Cup and the Football League Trophy. He resigned the following season, paving the way for 'our Bobby' to build on his successes - which he did, just as Rogers built on Roberto's achievements.

One other technique regularly employed by yourself, and beloved by political spin doctors, is to deflect away from any inconvenient truths by picking up on any slight mistake or exaggeration by their opponent and ignoring the rest of what they say, so I've deliberately slipped one in above for you and put it bold type.

I think you're in danger of missing the wood for the trees in all that above.

In total Martinez's record is one of success. Even here where many people believe it to be have been a part of his career marked by failure: in three years he set us a season's worth of records that will likely not be surpassed for the foreseeable and gave us real hope we could finally end our barren spell without a trophy.

He's a very good manager. The football industry rercognises this fact. It's time the remaining critics of him amongst the Everton support to acknowledge that and stop making themslelves look daft. Your choice.

 

[BigMick]

I think you're in danger of missing the wood for the trees in all that above.

In total Martinez's record is one of success. Even here where many people believe it to be have been a part of his career marked by failure: in three years he set us a season's worth of records that will likely not be surpassed for the foreseeable and gave us real hope we could finally end our barren spell without a trophy.

He's a very good manager. The football industry rercognises this fact. It's time the remaining critics of him amongst the Everton support to acknowledge that and stop making themslelves look daft. Your choice.

Reasonable reply.
Except: ' a season's worth of records' - what records are they? I can only remember one, out highest points total in the premier league. You can enlighten me on the others.

Anyway, which would you prefer, 84 points like Slippy and co managed in 2013/14, or 81 like Leicester managed when they won the league? I know which I'd choose, just as I'd choose 4th place, as achieved by our gym master, to the 5th that Bobby managed in that 'season's worth of records' you refer to.

'gave us real hope' - he did give us hope, briefly. Not for the first time in our history it went unfulfilled. I know you have your views as to why that happened - I, and many others, have ours, some of which may partially overlap with yours. My hopes nosedived that night we lost at home to Palace towards the end of his 1st season - it looked like another false dawn to me, as indeed it was.

'The football industry recognises this fact' I'll believe that when your prediction of a 'big club' appointing him as manager comes true. I do accept that he's partially recovered his reputation from the nadir of his undignified Everton exit, but reaching a WC semi-final with that squad of players doesn't confirm him as a 'very good' manager, just as it doesn't Southgate. Both men have more to do but both would probably be able to get a job with at best a middle-ranking team should they choose to leave their current cushy jobs.

'stop making themselves look daft' In your eyes, true, and I'm happy to do so!

 

[deipnosophist]

I do admire the defeated trying to rally enough troops to make a fist of this still. It's like watching a bunch of Confederate soldiers with their arses hanging out of their kecks holding up their crutches to the passing Union army swarming over Georgia.

Your society has gone lads. It's fallen forever.

The South was about to be invaded by carpetbaggers...

 

[davek]

Reasonable reply.
Except: ' a season's worth of records' - what records are they? I can only remember one, out highest points total in the premier league. You can enlighten me on the others.

Anyway, which would you prefer, 84 points like Slippy and co managed in 2013/14, or 81 like Leicester managed when they won the league? I know which I'd choose, just as I'd choose 4th place, as achieved by our gym master, to the 5th that Bobby managed in that 'season's worth of records' you refer to.

'gave us real hope' - he did give us hope, briefly. Not for the first time in our history it went unfulfilled. I know you have your views as to why that happened - I, and many others, have ours, some of which may partially overlap with yours. My hopes nosedived that night we lost at home to Palace towards the end of his 1st season - it looked like another false dawn to me, as indeed it was.

'The football industry recognises this fact' I'll believe that when your prediction of a 'big club' appointing him as manager comes true. I do accept that he's partially recovered his reputation from the nadir of his undignified Everton exit, but reaching a WC semi-final with that squad of players doesn't confirm him as a 'very good' manager, just as it doesn't Southgate. Both men have more to do but both would probably be able to get a job with at best a middle-ranking team should they choose to leave their current cushy jobs.

'stop making themselves look daft' In your eyes, true, and I'm happy to do so!

Again. All that verbiage to underline the point that you haven't evolved your position or learned a thing about the man - despite the evidence of this summer's World Cup.

As said: a battered and bewildered Conferate army of rag-tags .

 

[davek]

The South was about to be invaded by carpetbaggers...

Carpetbagger? I might use that.

Thanks.

 

[BigMick]

Again. All that verbiage to underline the point that you haven't evolved your position or learned a thing about the man - despite the evidence of this summer's World Cup.

As said: a battered and bewildered Conferate army of rag-tags .

To repeat: 'hoping to persuade by bluster and repetition, often, like you, in entertaining ways that are guaranteed to grab the headlines.'

Keep it up!

 

[deipnosophist]

Carpetbagger? I might use that.

Thanks.

Another phrase I think you'll like : 'swing the lead'...particularly apt in describing a few of our duty shirking squad members...

...you're welcome...

 

[Blues Harp]

To repeat: 'hoping to persuade by bluster and repetition, often, like you, in entertaining ways that are guaranteed to grab the headlines.'

Keep it up!

He didn't answer the point about the "seasons full of records" 72 points yes but what else? Lowest ever home points total in the 3rd woeful season? 2 appalling sfs one of which he was booed at half time? The game v Palace as you rightly point out was the end of any optimism I may have had regarding his tenure. He will be a small footnote in our history, not even to be mentioned in the same breath as the real winners such as Catterick, Kendall, and Royle.

 

[BigMick]

He didn't answer the point about the "seasons full of records" 72 points yes but what else? Lowest ever home points total in the 3rd woeful season? 2 appalling sfs one of which he was booed at half time? The game v Palace as you rightly point out was the end of any optimism I may have had regarding his tenure. He will be a small footnote in our history, not even to be mentioned in the same breath as the real winners such as Catterick, Kendall, and Royle.

He never does but I don't want to turn this into the @davek thread 'cos his ego might become as big as his idols!

 

[goodisonopheliac]

Bob linked with Leicester if Puel goes, apparently.

 

[Mickey]

Oh god yes get him in at Leicester.

 

[davek]

He didn't answer the point about the "seasons full of records" 72 points yes but what else? Lowest ever home points total in the 3rd woeful season? 2 appalling sfs one of which he was booed at half time? The game v Palace as you rightly point out was the end of any optimism I may have had regarding his tenure. He will be a small footnote in our history, not even to be mentioned in the same breath as the real winners such as Catterick, Kendall, and Royle.

Highest number of wins / highest number of points in a PL season; highest number of goals scored for 20 years.

 

[davek]

Oh god yes get him in at Leicester.

Martinez wouldn't touch tat like that.