Mason Greenwood

[DualityNSNO]

Where else is it gonna be

Carrier pigeons obviously.

 

[Nymzee]

Carrier pigeons obviously.

Thought we were gonna have to rile up @Joey66 again over billboards.

 

[tsubaki]

Where else is it gonna be

that was a response to a line in a post earlier that had said "No one is following the crowd on social media"

 

[Mozza1987]

So presumably now you are happy for them both? I mean, that is what she has put out recently.

What are you chatting about? What's that got to do with what I've said. Nothing is the answer.

So in your eyes she is happy now so forget all that happened before, I get it.

 

[Nymzee]

that was a response to a line in a post earlier that had said "No one is following the crowd on social media"

I mean yeh? Just because something is made available on social media doesn’t mean they’re following the crowd. It’s just a source of the information not anything we have to let influence our stance. I couldn’t give two hoots about social media’s stance on this case but it did give me the evidence to help form my own opinion.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Unreal what Man United are doing to defend their potentially expensive and talented footballer.

Truly shocking there's people defending him on here, even more shocking that it's because he got outed on social media. Would the reactions be the same if it was TV and she'd called the BBC or something then? "Oh just people following the TV narrative" and all?

But it's okay though, he's a good footballer with potential that might cost a lot so it's okay for him to do whatever he wants obviously, that sends a great message to the younger generation, good stuff. How can we blame their inevitable failures on social media too afterwards, I wonder?

 

[Mozza1987]

Unreal what Man United are doing to defend their potentially expensive and talented footballer.

Truly shocking there's people defending him on here, even more shocking that it's because he got outed on social media. Would the reactions be the same if it was TV and she'd called the BBC or something then? "Oh just people following the TV narrative" and all?

But it's okay though, he's a good footballer with potential that might cost a lot so it's okay for him to do whatever he wants obviously, that sends a great message to the younger generation, good stuff. How can we blame their inevitable failures on social media too afterwards, I wonder?

It's shocking that some people are actually defending him, almost like he has done no wrong and can go back to earning a fortune playing football. It's a sad world we live in sometimes.

 

[tsubaki]

What are you chatting about? What's that got to do with what I've said. Nothing is the answer.

So in your eyes she is happy now so forget all that happened before, I get it.

That isn't what I am saying at all - what I am trying to point out is that all this posturing, judging and the rest of the usual online performative activity is increasingly looking like it might be coming into direct opposition to what the actual victim of this appears to want (and I appreciate LL's point before that she hasn't publicly been asked what she wants).

To me, that seems crazy and more than a little hypocritical.

 

[Mozza1987]

That isn't what I am saying at all - what I am trying to point out is that all this posturing, judging and the rest of the usual online performative activity is increasingly looking like it might be coming into direct opposition to what the actual victim of this appears to want (and I appreciate LL's point before that she hasn't publicly been asked what she wants).

To me, that seems crazy and more than a little hypocritical.

The victim is in an abusive relationship. He did what he did and should be punished for it. The Average Joe in this world would be so why is he getting away with it being a professional footballer.

 

[PhilM]

That isn't what I am saying at all - what I am trying to point out is that all this posturing, judging and the rest of the usual online performative activity is increasingly looking like it might be coming into direct opposition to what the actual victim of this appears to want (and I appreciate LL's point before that she hasn't publicly been asked what she wants).

To me, that seems crazy and more than a little hypocritical.

From an external perspective, there is what she may want and what is in the best interest for her, and for society as a whole, based on the known evidence.

This is why the crown tried to continue with the case even after she'd withdrawn her support because it was deemed in the public interest to prosecute him.

But we both know that without her support the case would flounder. As a parent, I wouldn't want my daughter anywhere near him regardless of a conviction.

Not talking about this case, of course, but we also both know how DV cases can be intrinsically linked to coercive (emotional and financial) behaviours.

This is why sometimes the crown needs to take the bull by the horns.

 

[tsubaki]

The victim is in an abusive relationship. He did what he did and should be punished for it. The Average Joe in this world would be so why is he getting away with it being a professional footballer.

The Average Joe in this world would not be punished if charges were dropped against him, though. Sponsors wouldn't flee from the toxicity of Joe's brand, the commentariat wouldn't be calling for his expulsion from whatever in order to take a stand against violence against women, and if he had lost his job it would be because he wasnt available for work rather than work making a point.

Sorry for mentioning him again but what Ronaldo did - pay to get rid of at least one allegation of rape - is what the Average Joe in this world would never get away with.

 

[Mozza1987]

The Average Joe in this world would not be punished if charges were dropped against him, though. Sponsors wouldn't flee from the toxicity of Joe's brand, the commentariat wouldn't be calling for his expulsion from whatever in order to take a stand against violence against women, and if he had lost his job it would be because he wasnt available for work rather than work making a point.

Sorry for mentioning him again but what Ronaldo did - pay to get rid of at least one allegation of rape - is what the Average Joe in this world would never get away with.

Poor Mason Greenwood losing his sponsors and possibly losing his job over it. He deserves to be locked up. And the Average Joe should lose all this as well might I add, shouldn't matter who you are.

The guy is an absolute scumbag but you keep defending him mate. Embarrassing to be honest. We will leave it there.

 

[chrismpw]

How can it not be true though? It's on a recording. So basically in your view no one can ever be really guilty as it might not be true or real whatever is being put in front of you as evidence.

Read a few pages further back in the thread where I explained.

 

[tsubaki]

From an external perspective, there is what she may want and what is in the best interest for her, and for society as a whole, based on the known evidence.

This is why the crown tried to continue with the case even after she'd withdrawn her support because it was deemed in the public interest to prosecute him.

But we both know that without her support the case would flounder. As a parent, I wouldn't want my daughter anywhere near him regardless of a conviction.

Not talking about this case, of course, but we also both know how DV cases can be intrinsically linked to coercive (emotional and financial) behaviours.

This is why sometimes the crown needs to take the bull by the horns.

In theory yes, but there is a very fine line between the damage that the suspect has done to the victim and what the CPS/Police do to them by continuing.

As an aside, I went to Crown Court once as a witness in a domestic. The husband had been arrested for breaking his wife's jaw, and it transpired she had been systematically abused over years to the point that her dinner (which she made) was served to her on the floor, and she believed she'd be deported and separated from their kids permanently if he ever went to the cops and told them to get rid of her. After he'd been arrested and taken away, someone accidentally dropped something nearby her and the look on her face was something else, I've never seen anyone before or since that scared.

Once he'd been charged and bailed she tried to withdraw, but given the extreme level of abuse the CPS continued with it. It went all the way to Court, still with her refusing to proceed. She went into the witness box and before starting her evidence she started smashing her head off the side of it repeatedly. The judge stopped the trial because it really was perverse to effectively have this woman batter herself rather than give evidence.

 

[chrismpw]

Well I’ve read all of your posts in this thread and I agree, you communicate badly. And no need for the ‘special school’ comment either mate, you’ve come across very poorly here imo.

I'll go with the feedback I got from thousands of kids, dozens of colleagues and professionals about my communication over a handful of trolls on here who can't be bothered to read properly mate.