Mason Greenwood

[chrismpw]

Your points are extremely muddled and where you've ended up in this thread is a mile away from your initial postings.
It's not the fault of us not understanding you - it's that you communicate very poorly.

I made a career communicating to all abilities. Granted I never worked in a special school . There is no muddle at all. I started saying I knew nothing of the case but it was not social media's place to judge aa they dont know the whole story.. Somebody pointed to a transcript which I suppose was found on the Internet of a recording allegedly released by the victim.

Straight away I said that if the evidence were true then he is clearly a wrong-un and does not deserve his privileged position as a footballer. I naturally added the caveat that evidence needs to be tried ... that is our legal process, and found to be true. I've heard president Obama talking Trump politics through deep fake, quite convincingly and so am aware that evidence, especially sourced on the Internet, can be made up.

Unless you are totally naive you will be aware that where wealth is concerned there can be an enormous motivation to make stories up to capture some of that. That is a possible cause NOT an accusation, by the way. But that's why things are scrutinised under trial.

For some reason you and @Nymzee seem to have got caught up on - geesh I really don't know what ... an inability to comprehend simple reason? This is why I suggest go back to page 1 if this is a bone you want to chew on, and read from there, rather than having me repeat myself so that you finally understand. I'm not being paid to communicate with you. If at the end you still don't understand my point - just live with it. In no way am I trying to defend some footballing no-mark millionaire.

 

[tsubaki]

From my point of view I see it as a 3 issues.

I can fully understand her not wanting to go to trial for myriad reasons. Any court case is emotionally fraught and these types of cases particularly so, especially as there is a child from the relationship.

I don’t understand her wanting to continue a relationship with him and think it extremely unwise but accept it is her choice.

Both the above issues primarily affect her and her child and so deferenece to her wishes seems appropriate.

But as for whether he is employed by Manchester United - has she made any public comments re that?

It is an issue that doesn’t just affect her, it is far wider. I can fully understand for instance some of the female members of the club not wanting to be in contact with him due to concerns about their own physical safety and given how many women have themselves been assaulted it could well create emotional distress. Should their wishes to not be in his presence be trumped by the victim’s wanting him to keep his job?

Does it, though?

All of the allegations against Greenwood stem from him being abusive to his current partner. If he was accused of attacking or abusing multiple women then I could understand some reluctance by the club to put their female employees at risk, but (at least based on reports) that doesn't seem to be the case here.

 

[Nymzee]

I made a career communicating.

I could probably make a career baking cakes but it doesn’t mean I’d be any good at it.

 

[Mozza1987]

I made a career communicating. Granted I did a better job to an intelligent audience who understiod words. There is no muddle at all. I started saying I knew nothing of the case but it was not social media's place to judge aa they dont know the whole story.. Somebody pointed to a transcript which I suppose was found on the Internet of a recording allegedly released by the victim.

Straight away I said that if the evidence were true then he is clearly a wrong-un and does not deserve his privileged position as a footballer. I naturally added the caveat that evidence needs to be tried ... that is our legal process, and found to be true. I've heard president Obama talking Trump politics through deep fake, quite convincingly and so am aware that evidence, especially sourced on the Internet, can be made up.

Unless you are totally naive you will be aware that where wealth is concerned there can be an enormous motivation to make stories up to capture some of that. That is a possible cause NOT an accusation, by the way. But that's why things are scrutinised under trial.

For some reason you and @Nymzee seem to have got caught up on - geesh I really don't know what ... an inability to comprehend simple reason? This is why I suggest go back to page 1 if this is a bone you want to chew on, and read from there, rather than having me repeat myself so that you finally understand. I'm not being paid to communicate with you. If at the end you still don't understand my point - just live with it. In no way am I trying to defend some footballing no-mark millionaire.

I think it's because you are saying that it's bad if it's true and that's what we don't understand. Like if you have listened to the recordings and seen the images of her, I don't understand how that wouldn't be an easy guilty verdict in court. Otherwise no one would be guilty of any crime in your case if you are saying this isn't enough evidence of guilt.

No one is following the crowd on social media, it's all there for everyone to make their own judgment.

 

[chrismpw]

I think it's because you are saying that it's bad if it's true and that's what we don't understand. Like if you have listened to the recordings and seen the images of her, I don't understand how that wouldn't be an easy guilty verdict in court. Otherwise no one would be guilty of any crime in your case if you are saying this isn't enough evidence of guilt.

No one is following the crowd on social media, it's all there for everyone to make their own judgment.

I'd say it's enough evidence. The IF is if the evidence is tried and shown to be true. I'd add that he would also be given an opportunity to defend himself in court - none of us know if there are any circumstances that might mitigate his punishment.

 

[tsubaki]

I think it's because you are saying that it's bad if it's true and that's what we don't understand. Like if you have listened to the recordings and seen the images of her, I don't understand how that wouldn't be an easy guilty verdict in court. Otherwise no one would be guilty of any crime in your case if you are saying this isn't enough evidence of guilt.

No one is following the crowd on social media, it's all there for everyone to make their own judgment.

That is a really dangerous thing to think - this whole debate is being run via social media, with the usual social media rules.

 

[Mozza1987]

I'd say it's enough evidence. The IF is if the evidence is tried and shown to be true. I'd add that he would also be given an opportunity to defend himself in court - none of us know if there are any circumstances that might mitigate his punishment.

How can it not be true though? It's on a recording. So basically in your view no one can ever be really guilty as it might not be true or real whatever is being put in front of you as evidence.

 

[Mozza1987]

That is a really dangerous thing to think - this whole debate is being run via social media, with the usual social media rules.

How? My judgement of him is from listening to a recording and images of what he has done to her, which would be evidence in court.

 

[d34noj]

Ronaldo had been accused of raping three people at this point in time.

Thought he'd been accused by 1 person in Vegas, and the case was thrown out and his legal fee's reimbursed due to the accusers lawyer stealing, hacking and doctoring information?

 

[tsubaki]

How? My judgement of him is from listening to a recording and images of what he has done to her, which would be evidence in court.

... a recording which is out there because of social media, and the campaign against him seems mostly online.

 

[Nymzee]

... a recording which is out there because of social media, and the campaign against him seems mostly online.

Where else is it gonna be

 

[Mozza1987]

... a recording which is out there because of social media, and the campaign against him seems mostly online.

Which she put out there. My judgement isn't persuaded by social media. My judgement comes from the recording and the images of her, simple as that.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

I made a career communicating to all abilities. Granted I never worked in a special school . There is no muddle at all. I started saying I knew nothing of the case but it was not social media's place to judge aa they dont know the whole story.. Somebody pointed to a transcript which I suppose was found on the Internet of a recording allegedly released by the victim.

Straight away I said that if the evidence were true then he is clearly a wrong-un and does not deserve his privileged position as a footballer. I naturally added the caveat that evidence needs to be tried ... that is our legal process, and found to be true. I've heard president Obama talking Trump politics through deep fake, quite convincingly and so am aware that evidence, especially sourced on the Internet, can be made up.

Unless you are totally naive you will be aware that where wealth is concerned there can be an enormous motivation to make stories up to capture some of that. That is a possible cause NOT an accusation, by the way. But that's why things are scrutinised under trial.

For some reason you and @Nymzee seem to have got caught up on - geesh I really don't know what ... an inability to comprehend simple reason? This is why I suggest go back to page 1 if this is a bone you want to chew on, and read from there, rather than having me repeat myself so that you finally understand. I'm not being paid to communicate with you. If at the end you still don't understand my point - just live with it. In no way am I trying to defend some footballing no-mark millionaire.

Well I’ve read all of your posts in this thread and I agree, you communicate badly. And no need for the ‘special school’ comment either mate, you’ve come across very poorly here imo.

 

[tsubaki]

Thought he'd been accused by 1 person in Vegas, and the case was thrown out and his legal fee's reimbursed due to the accusers lawyer stealing, hacking and doctoring information?

In 2005 he and another man were arrested for the rape of two women in London:

Ronaldo arrested on rape claim

BRITAIN: Manchester United footballer Cristiano Ronaldo (20) was yesterday arrested and interviewed by police over a rape allegation…

www.irishtimes.com

The other rape allegation you refer to is worth reading more about, the hacked materials (and the court doesnt appear to have said they were doctored) certainly suggested what she claimed was rather closer to the truth than what he said publicly.

 

[tsubaki]

Which she put out there. My judgement isn't persuaded by social media. My judgement comes from the recording and the images of her, simple as that.

So presumably now you are happy for them both? I mean, that is what she has put out recently.