Mason Greenwood

[tsubaki]

Why Rachel Riley 'won’t' support Manchester United if Greenwood returns

Channel 4's Countdown co-presenter Rachel Riley has voiced her concerns over the return of Mason Greenwood to Manchester United on X (Twitter).

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Ronaldo had been accused of raping three people at this point in time.

 

[Prevenger17]

Bruce I'm surprised that you gave missed my point. I'm trying to be entirely objective. I'm in no position to take anybody's side. Nobody us outside of the full facts.

As I've said now at keast half a dozen times - yes the transcript paints him in a very bad light. The transcript / recording hasn't gone on to be questioned on a court of law, under oath for its veracity, for whatever reason so it is not right for we laypersons to take it out of any context- or God forbid ignire the oossibility of any possible defense (and for crying out loud ... I'm not at all suggesting what he said was defensible), mitigating circumstances or context that may or may not have existed.

My simple argument right from thr very start is that social media is NOT able to cast judgements ir condemn. Opinions are a different matter, but i would always hold my opinion under the caution that I am unaware of all of the facts.

There are others hete who are quite happy to leap in with assumptions and use terms like "probably" followed by whatever bias or imagination they have, to paint a picture worse out of unsubstantiated fantasy. This is also the basis behind racism is it not?

I'm taking no sides. Unlike everybody else here, neither he nor she are personal friends of mine!

I've listened to the recording and he's a little rapey bish. That's my opinion. You have read the transcript and decided there's not enough evidence to say either way. That's yours. I think your opinion on it is weird af, as are a lot of your takes when it comes to women. We'll leave it there

 

[tsubaki]

Understandable but equally infuriating.

They are, but this sorry debacle is increasingly getting to the point where the victim's views in this are far less important (indeed the statement of that anti-Greenwood group doesn't even mention her except as an abstract) than other people demanding something be done so that they will continue to support the club.

 

[Nymzee]

They are, but this sorry debacle is increasingly getting to the point where the victim's views in this are far less important (indeed the statement of that anti-Greenwood group doesn't even mention her except as an abstract) than other people demanding something be done so that they will continue to support the club.

I guess that's just the nature of such a high-profile incident. It makes it more infuriating as I worry people will become desensitised to it because it's in the public and it's not going the "correct" way.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Whats going on at Utd

 

[tsubaki]

I guess that's just the nature of such a high-profile incident. It makes it more infuriating as I worry people will become desensitised to it because it's in the public and it's not going the "correct" way.

TBF people are already desensitised to it; the vast majority of the public already believes that PL footballers are ubermensch and that any woman wants to sleep with them - and if they say they didn't after they did, they are obviously only out for money.

 

[Nymzee]

TBF people are already desensitised to it; the vast majority of the public already believes that PL footballers are ubermensch and that any woman wants to sleep with them - and if they say they didn't after they did, they are obviously only out for money.

I always stay completely neutral till a lot of information is out. I am very much aware football players are/can be targets for people looking to milk them out of fame and fortune. Cases like this though? Cut and dry from Day 1.

 

[tsubaki]

I always stay completely neutral till a lot of information is out. I am very much aware football players are/can be targets for people looking to milk them out of fame and fortune. Cases like this though? Cut and dry from Day 1.

Thats very sensible - but honestly at this point whether he said that, or did that, is irrelevant. If the victim doesn't want to know, and the criminal justice system doesn't do anything because of that, then society as a whole really needs to examine the reasons why they want some punishment brought in this case.

Increasingly this is taking the appearance of the usual sort of "prominent" people (who have no or at best an extremely passing interest in this case) using it to make a point online about something that they profess to feel strongly about. Is that enough to override what the victim has said in this case? Is it enough to negatively impact that victim? If he is let go, is that going to do the slightest thing to protect women from domestic abuse in the future?

 

[Tin-Tin]

These Utd doctors need speaking to

 

[LinekersLegs]

Thats very sensible - but honestly at this point whether he said that, or did that, is irrelevant. If the victim doesn't want to know, and the criminal justice system doesn't do anything because of that, then society as a whole really needs to examine the reasons why they want some punishment brought in this case.

Increasingly this is taking the appearance of the usual sort of "prominent" people (who have no or at best an extremely passing interest in this case) using it to make a point online about something that they profess to feel strongly about. Is that enough to override what the victim has said in this case? Is it enough to negatively impact that victim? If he is let go, is that going to do the slightest thing to protect women from domestic abuse in the future?

Isn’t it possible though to be extremely sympathic to the fact the victim does not want legal proceedings to take place and to accept that it her choice to continue having a relationship with him (however unwise and likely to end in disaster you think it is) but simultaneously still not want him to be employed by your club and make comments accordingly?

 

[Nymzee]

Thats very sensible - but honestly at this point whether he said that, or did that, is irrelevant. If the victim doesn't want to know, and the criminal justice system doesn't do anything because of that, then society as a whole really needs to examine the reasons why they want some punishment brought in this case.

Issue is, can anything ever change this? It's a case of sometimes people need protecting from themselves but then who gives us the right to judge that in the first place.

Increasingly this is taking the appearance of the usual sort of "prominent" people (who have no or at best an extremely passing interest in this case) using it to make a point online about something that they profess to feel strongly about. Is that enough to override what the victim has said in this case? Is it enough to negatively impact that victim? If he is let go, is that going to do the slightest thing to protect women from domestic abuse in the future?

I never pay attention to prominent people in cases like this. They are there for clicks and exposure only. Domestic violence will destroy lives as long as people are discouraged from coming forwards about it. It's not even being brave to say something, it's now thinking "why bother if nothing will happen".

 

[chrismpw]

I've listened to the recording and he's a little rapey bish. That's my opinion. You have read the transcript and decided there's not enough evidence to say either way. That's yours. I think your opinion on it is weird af, as are a lot of your takes when it comes to women. We'll leave it there

No!

This is getting tedious and frankly I'm aghast at how many people on here have misunderstood, half read the thread, or are simply trolling. I suspect the latter because, frankly, Toffees can't be that thick can they?

How many times have I made the point - the evidence is damning ... IF first the evidence is bound to be true under court examination.

That's why we have courts and professionals, ffs and not trial by mob.

It was easier teaching year 7s how to balance equations than this.

 

[Nymzee]

Isn’t it possible though to be extremely sympathic to the fact the victim does not want legal proceedings to take place and to accept that it her choice to continue having a relationship with him (however unwise and likely to end in disaster you think it is) but simultaneously still not want him to be employed by your club and make comments accordingly?

Personally, I can't be too sympathetic to this. I just feel sorry for them and wish they'd see sense. It's like watching your little kids make dumb mistakes but SO much worse.

 

[Nymzee]

No!

This is getting tedious and frankly I'm aghast at how many people on here have misunderstood or are simply trolling. I suspect the latter because, frankly, Toffees can't be that thick can they?

How many times have I made the point - the evidence is damning ... IF first the evidence is bound to be true under court examination.

That's why we have courts and professionals, ffs and not trial by mob.

It was easier teaching year 7s how to balance equations than this.

So because the court didn't convict him it's not damning?

 

[chrismpw]

So because the court didn't convict him it's not damning?

Jeezus wept.

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