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2021/22 Mason Holgate

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Frank’s style suits his play. Still worries me defensively, but if he is going to get back to his best form at the end of the Silva days, then Frank is his best chance.

He is still going, so plenty of upside. Either plays well and becomes a long-term option, or we sell him at a good price to fund another ball playing CB.
 
Who would have put money on him scoring? Certainly not me! That said I'm sure Frank said he wanted more goals from other players, yesterday he got just that. The post by Mason shows how 'massive' the new manager and coaches have been on this squad already, the boy actually looked happy and has belief, notice how he said said, 'so come on toffees', he is us, we are him, unity! That's been the missing ingredient for far too long. Plus, I didn't notice the chewy, just a little thing but it I think it was like a crutch to him, today he found himself and reconnected and look! There was a player in there. ???
 

Who would have put money on him scoring? Certainly not me! That said I'm sure Frank said he wanted more goals from other players, yesterday he got just that. The post by Mason shows how 'massive' the new manager and coaches have been on this squad already, the boy actually looked happy and has belief, notice how he said said, 'so come on toffees', he is us, we are him, unity! That's been the missing ingredient for far too long. Plus, I didn't notice the chewy, just a little thing but it I think it was like a crutch to him, today he found himself and reconnected and look! There was a player in there. ???
I put a fiver on him to be booked and the odds were better than Mina's who wasn't even playing in the first 11 lol, should have had the fiver on him to score.
 
Yeah I think there’s a lot of truth in that. Gomes has always been hugely talented but there’s some weird mental thing with him where his performance level can fluctuate maybe more than anyone I’ve ever seen. Sometimes he’s the best player on the pitch one week and then looks like he’s never seen a ball before the next. Holgate’s a weird one, I feel like he’s a talented lad but he has a number of weaknesses in his game and I’m not sure he’s ever done a lot to address them. I’ve been saying for years though, real coaching can see players improve massively and I’m not sure there’s been a huge amount of it going on in recent years.

Yes all true. Gomes inconsistency is astonishing really. Even when he first came, he could go from being MOTM at Anfield or Stamford bridge and just go missing the next week. Hes probably one of the most inconsistent players we have had in my lifetime.

I can only put it down to confidence. He was very central to training drills in the week, and I hope that "arm around the shoulder" will work for him. I'll be honest I think Benitez and Ancelotti tried to hide him, playing him wide or in a 10 position, which is not his game. You need to get him on the ball regularly.

As for Holgate, hes not as "high ceiling" as Gomes, but hes quite quick, good on the ball and a decent tackler. I'm going to be a little harsh and caveat it, but he hasnt kicked on in the last 2 years (from the original positive spell he had late Silva early Ancelotti). The caveat to it, is he did kick on a fair bit before that, so I'm not going to say it's a situation just around attitude.

I think you're right to highlight coaching. The very best players just get it, and dont need a huge amount of coaching. The most talented player I've seen for us was Rooney, and he didnt need coaching at all really. He needed tactically managing and motivating, which Ancelotti and to a degree Benitez specialised in.

Townsend would speak of how Benitez would never praise him, and always say what he could do more. He seems like a mentally strong, confident individual who is just that bit older and it probably works for him. But for other players, younger, maybe less aware of their game, maybe more prone to anxiety etc, that sort of approach can really kill confidence. They probably need that high level of coaching as a scaffold, and the more "arm around the shoulder" approach.

I actually think Silva was good at this. He was good on the training ground, but just couldn't manage games very effectively. I'd say he may have been the best coach weve had since Moyes, and maybe even better than him as a pure coach. Lampard is clearly a good young coach too, but also is a better speaker, connects with fans better and has a bigger name. I'd imagine praise from Lampard, for Holgate/Gomes etc will mean more than from Silva.

That's the hope anyway. Its the hope that kills you! And while Holgate and Gomes will not be able to replicate that performance every week, against sides I'm the bottom Gomes should really be dominating the game as he did there. There was a point in that 2and half where he was almost taking liberties, just too quick, too strong too powerful for the opponents.

More broadly I think the squad suffers the same continuum Holgate/Gomes are on but not as sharp. They are not awful, they are not even lazy (I dont think its laziness) but they are mentally quite fragile compared to elite players and need quite specificn management. They seem to go to peices when expectation is on against poor teams, rather than seeing it as a moment to shine.

I hope Lampards "enjoy the ball" positive message can filter through. That it's an opportunity to impose yourself.
 
Think Holgate realises it's his "last chance saloon", he played now under? Is it 7 managers and besides Beinitiz had peaks with all of them, he knows the club wanted to sell him to Brighton in the Summer and last week so he will want to prove he worth hanging on to. Think he has confidence issues as much as Keane but whereas Keane hides and goes to pieces Holgate puts on that cocky arrogant personna to help him cope. He obviously feeling good as he posted on Instagram first time this season, hopefully his form continues.
 

Think Holgate realises it's his "last chance saloon", he played now under? Is it 7 managers and besides Beinitiz had peaks with all of them, he knows the club wanted to sell him to Brighton in the Summer and last week so he will want to prove he worth hanging on to. Think he has confidence issues as much as Keane but whereas Keane hides and goes to pieces Holgate puts on that cocky arrogant personna to help him cope. He obviously feeling good as he posted on Instagram first time this season, hopefully his form continues.
Last chance is right, i still dont see him as a future Everton player but if he can have a good few months he could get a move to a more suitable club in the summer
 
Yes all true. Gomes inconsistency is astonishing really. Even when he first came, he could go from being MOTM at Anfield or Stamford bridge and just go missing the next week. Hes probably one of the most inconsistent players we have had in my lifetime.

I can only put it down to confidence. He was very central to training drills in the week, and I hope that "arm around the shoulder" will work for him. I'll be honest I think Benitez and Ancelotti tried to hide him, playing him wide or in a 10 position, which is not his game. You need to get him on the ball regularly.

As for Holgate, hes not as "high ceiling" as Gomes, but hes quite quick, good on the ball and a decent tackler. I'm going to be a little harsh and caveat it, but he hasnt kicked on in the last 2 years (from the original positive spell he had late Silva early Ancelotti). The caveat to it, is he did kick on a fair bit before that, so I'm not going to say it's a situation just around attitude.

I think you're right to highlight coaching. The very best players just get it, and dont need a huge amount of coaching. The most talented player I've seen for us was Rooney, and he didnt need coaching at all really. He needed tactically managing and motivating, which Ancelotti and to a degree Benitez specialised in.

Townsend would speak of how Benitez would never praise him, and always say what he could do more. He seems like a mentally strong, confident individual who is just that bit older and it probably works for him. But for other players, younger, maybe less aware of their game, maybe more prone to anxiety etc, that sort of approach can really kill confidence. They probably need that high level of coaching as a scaffold, and the more "arm around the shoulder" approach.

I actually think Silva was good at this. He was good on the training ground, but just couldn't manage games very effectively. I'd say he may have been the best coach weve had since Moyes, and maybe even better than him as a pure coach. Lampard is clearly a good young coach too, but also is a better speaker, connects with fans better and has a bigger name. I'd imagine praise from Lampard, for Holgate/Gomes etc will mean more than from Silva.

That's the hope anyway. Its the hope that kills you! And while Holgate and Gomes will not be able to replicate that performance every week, against sides I'm the bottom Gomes should really be dominating the game as he did there. There was a point in that 2and half where he was almost taking liberties, just too quick, too strong too powerful for the opponents.

More broadly I think the squad suffers the same continuum Holgate/Gomes are on but not as sharp. They are not awful, they are not even lazy (I dont think its laziness) but they are mentally quite fragile compared to elite players and need quite specificn management. They seem to go to peices when expectation is on against poor teams, rather than seeing it as a moment to shine.

I hope Lampards "enjoy the ball" positive message can filter through. That it's an opportunity to impose yourself.
Very good post. Fragile mentality has been this team's biggest downfall for some time. A lot of these players have had good and bad coaches during their time here, but at some point it has to be last call saloon time. I thought we'd reached that with Holgate because, as you said, he hasn't been very good for a while now. But I would really happy to see him kick on under Lampard, who does seem like a great coach for younger players especially. I've always liked Holgate a lot as a player, and his arrogance/snide is a positive when he plays well (but very annoying when he's terrible).
 

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