2021/22 Mason Holgate

[Toast]

No idea if genuine, but wouldn’t surprise me..

 

[Littlesue]

Lol, don't he do it online like the rest of us, maybe after the free tea and bikkies

 

[Toast]

Lol, don't he do it online like the rest of us, maybe after the free tea and bikkies

Probably collecting his winnings on us getting beat..

Spent it all on chewies apparently.. addicted to Hubba Bubba I’ve heard.

 

[Papa Shango]

I find this puzzling tbh. Do you not think the swaggering about and trying to ping diagonal Hollywood passes across the pitch that never ever come off indicates a confidence in his ability that isn’t actually there?

It isn’t actually hard to be a “body language expert” either tbh, most human beings can interpret body language, it’s really not that complex and doesn’t require you to be an expert.

Michael Keane does that too, he is hardly the poster boy for arrogance.

I think people are mixing up arrogance with just being crap at football.

 

[EGWToffee]

I don't see that at all.

We seem to have an awful lot of body language experts supporting us though. DCL seemingly "can't be bothered" either.

Believe me you don’t need to be an expert pal. It’s very very obvious. He’s a player who I thought would go on to big things, 4 years on the fame and fortune has certainly got to him.

 

[Lanolin]

Believe me you don’t need to be an expert pal. It’s very very obvious. He’s a player who I thought would go on to big things, 4 years on the fame and fortune has certainly got to him.

His attitude has always been the same though, it’s just that what people like to call being ‘a winner’ and having ‘a bit of snide’ when things are going well very quickly becomes ‘arrogant’ and ‘thinks he’s better than he is’ when they aren’t.

 

[Toffeepot]

I find this puzzling tbh. Do you not think the swaggering about and trying to ping diagonal Hollywood passes across the pitch that never ever come off indicates a confidence in his ability that isn’t actually there?

It isn’t actually hard to be a “body language expert” either tbh, most human beings can interpret body language, it’s really not that complex and doesn’t require you to be an expert.

Yea he seems over confident and Keane under confident...partnership made in h....

 

[Toffeepot]

Could have the timeline wrong but seemed like him and Godfrey were progressing well until that moron Rio Ferdinand decided to ‘mentor’ them both

Of course, because advice from one of the best CBs in Premier League history could only stall their development

 

[Duh Bomb]

Of course, because advice from one of the best CBs in Premier League history could only stall their development

This is the same Rio Ferdinand that had to be told by Alex Ferguson to choose between playing for titles or continuing to build himself as a brand for the likes of MTV…He may have been world class, doesn’t mean he’s any good at passing any of that knowledge on though

 

[Littlesue]

Ferdinand makes out they hire him to advise them but it's more to make them and his sports company more money by getting them advertising contracts.

 

[Toffeepot]

This is the same Rio Ferdinand that had to be told by Alex Ferguson to choose between playing for titles or continuing to build himself as a brand for the likes of MTV…He may have been world class, doesn’t mean he’s any good at passing any of that knowledge on though

Yes, perhaps. It does seem players focus more and more on their brand these days than their teams

 

[catcherintherye]

His attitude has always been the same though, it’s just that what people like to call being ‘a winner’ and having ‘a bit of snide’ when things are going well very quickly becomes ‘arrogant’ and ‘thinks he’s better than he is’ when they aren’t.

I'm probably going a bit deep here, but I think he has psychological traits that are not suited to being a defender. I dont mean arrogance or cockiness or whatever, but he seems to be quite risk taking in a position that you essentially need to be quite risk averse.

You look at most of the best defenders, and they see and sense danger. I'd imagine they have quite an anxious world view.

I also think it's why he looks so inconsistent. When it goes well he looks great. Hes a bit like a cricket batsman whos extremely aggressive, and on the odd occasion he scores big looks fantastic, but will nick off early a lot too. At 24, I doubt hes going to become rounded.

His other issue, is hes not good enough to okay for a team who are going to dominate possession which is probably what he needs. Sort of the the reverse Michael Keane, or Joe Gomez paradigm (Gomez being someone who I think would look pretty awful in a poor side).

 

[Littlesue]

I'm probably going a bit deep here, but I think he has psychological traits that are not suited to being a defender. I dont mean arrogance or cockiness or whatever, but he seems to be quite risk taking in a position that you essentially need to be quite risk averse.

You look at most of the best defenders, and they see and sense danger. I'd imagine they have quite an anxious world view.

I also think it's why he looks so inconsistent. When it goes well he looks great. Hes a bit like a cricket batsman whos extremely aggressive, and on the odd occasion he scores big looks fantastic, but will nick off early a lot too. At 24, I doubt hes going to become rounded.

His other issue, is hes not good enough to okay for a team who are going to dominate possession which is probably what he needs. Sort of the the reverse Michael Keane, or Joe Gomez paradigm (Gomez being someone who I think would look pretty awful in a poor side).

25 now

 

[Lanolin]

I'm probably going a bit deep here, but I think he has psychological traits that are not suited to being a defender. I dont mean arrogance or cockiness or whatever, but he seems to be quite risk taking in a position that you essentially need to be quite risk averse.

You look at most of the best defenders, and they see and sense danger. I'd imagine they have quite an anxious world view.

I also think it's why he looks so inconsistent. When it goes well he looks great. Hes a bit like a cricket batsman whos extremely aggressive, and on the odd occasion he scores big looks fantastic, but will nick off early a lot too. At 24, I doubt hes going to become rounded.

His other issue, is hes not good enough to okay for a team who are going to dominate possession which is probably what he needs. Sort of the the reverse Michael Keane, or Joe Gomez paradigm (Gomez being someone who I think would look pretty awful in a poor side).

Yeah I agree with that, his decision making and sending of danger are both awful. He’s one of many modern footballers - a number of them play for us -who I don’t think has a natural position. There are some players you can look at and you just think ‘he’s a centre half/winger etc’ even when that’s not where they’re playing. With holgate I don’t get that sense at all, he just doesn’t seem a natural fit, nor does he at full back. I did wonder at one point whether he might be best suited to a midfield destroyer role but his ability on the ball probably stops it.

 

[BigDuncTributeBand]

Michael Keane does that too, he is hardly the poster boy for arrogance.

I think people are mixing up arrogance with just being crap at football.

Dude, this guy and Michael Keane carry themselves the same way?

We can all guess at interpretation but their body language couldn’t be more different. One looks like he’s about to burst into tears, the other struts about like a wannabe hard man.

Crap at football for sure though, no interpretation needed there!