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2021/22 Mason Holgate

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BigDuncTributeBand said:
Dude, this guy and Michael Keane carry themselves the same way?

We can all guess at interpretation but their body language couldn’t be more different. One looks like he’s about to burst into tears, the other struts about like a wannabe hard man.

Crap at football for sure though, no interpretation needed there!
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I was referring to the pinging hollywood passes across the field that never come off thing.
 
Lanolin said:
Yeah I agree with that, his decision making and sending of danger are both awful. He’s one of many modern footballers - a number of them play for us -who I don’t think has a natural position. There are some players you can look at and you just think ‘he’s a centre half/winger etc’ even when that’s not where they’re playing. With holgate I don’t get that sense at all, he just doesn’t seem a natural fit, nor does he at full back. I did wonder at one point whether he might be best suited to a midfield destroyer role but his ability on the ball probably stops it.
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I agree with that.

Re our squad, I do think you see the consequence of 7 managers, 3 DOFs playing multiple systems over quite a short period of time on the squad. Godfrey is probably the worst example really, a lad who has talent but to me really misses continuity. I think this, over and above a lack of effort is a big reason for the collapses. There is just no foundation.

As for Holgate, he just doesnt quite excel in any department. Hes small, hes not quick enough, not good enough on the ball. I'm not saying hes necessarily bad at all of those things, but hes not good enough at any one of them to cover for weaknesses in other areas.

I also think, the art of defending has essentially been lost since teams started playing with a 1/3. I remember playing CB and we almost always played against a 2, and it meant you had to really learn to defend. Pressure, cover, depth at all times. Holgate looks to be a classic defender who hasnt learnt those basics really.

I'd tend to agree, his build and approach to the game would seem to suit midfield. Hes a decent tackler (but tackles too much for a CB) and got a good build for a midfielder. I'd agree hes probably not good enough on the ball, but probably think he has a better chance on that position. I dont think managers really change positions for players much anymore though.
 
He’s garbage, we all accept that.

But struggling to see why everyone is fuming about seeing him in a bookies?

If it was Gordon in the bookies would we be fuming? They’re humans, albeit ones who are terrible at football.
 

barneygumble said:
He’s garbage, we all accept that.

But struggling to see why everyone is fuming about seeing him in a bookies?

If it was Gordon in the bookies would we be fuming? They’re humans, albeit ones who are terrible at football.
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Especially when it’s clearly not him.
 
Would take any money for him in the summer, what could we get - between £5-10million?

Would also sell Godfrey in a heartbeat, if could get anything close to what we paid.

This pair of fraud centre backs are miles off being starters for a premiership team. Not good enough, time to get ruthless.

We’ll have to sell Mina in the summer as well with his contract situation. Leaves Keane and Branthwaite. I’d ideally sell Keane as well but would leave us needing to sign 3 centre backs in the summer and seems unlikely. If we could sell three and bring in two new starting 11 centre backs that would be a good start.
 
Not good enough, I seen a stat the other day can't remember which game but he turned the ball over 12 times, 12 this is why we get beat, Keane is the same as is Godfrey, they're just sub standard defenders for the division we are in, we have assembled a squad that is bottom half/relegation level, it's quite mind blowing really.
 
Terrarian said:
Not good enough, I seen a stat the other day can't remember which game but he turned the ball over 12 times, 12 this is why we get beat, Keane is the same as is Godfrey, they're just sub standard defenders for the division we are in, we have assembled a squad that is bottom half/relegation level, it's quite mind blowing really.
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They're not premiership standard. Not one of them.

They've got away with having systems built to cover their inefficiencies
 

I think he’s failed us, but to be fair, I’d say it starts with Keane who actually has more glaring weaknesses that need to be covered up. Keane can build up play and head the ball, but he’s actually a terrible in the box defender. He freezes.

Holgate is at least a bit of an all rounder. Still though, worst season I’ve seen from him.
 
arbok said:
I think he’s failed us, but to be fair, I’d say it starts with Keane who actually has more glaring weaknesses that need to be covered up. Keane can build up play and head the ball, but he’s actually a terrible in the box defender. He freezes.

Holgate is at least a bit of an all rounder. Still though, worst season I’ve seen from him.
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Well this is clearly not true. Keane is pretty good at defending his box. His biggest weakness is how poor he is when he drags out wide 1 v 1 and gets caught higher up the pitch. He doesn't have the mobility to press higher or stick with runs in behind.

Keane has been pretty terrible this season, but he's still better than Holgate.
 
MikeH72 said:
The fact he keeps trying to do it despite being nowhere near good enough to do it, says that he very much has a misplaced belief in his ability. He is arrogant and delusional as well as a terrible footballer.
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Yes and I was saying Keane does that too and he is far from what you would call arrogant!
 

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