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Mayor's Bramley Moore Dock Open Letter To Evertonians

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You can replicate something without copying it.
Goodison is a 40k seat stadium on a tiny footprint. Totally agree that an athletic track could not be done there.

But we're not trying to build an athletics track at goodison. At the docks we're wanting a 50-60k stadium on a bigger footprint. It's the atmosphere and intimidation we're trying to recreate, not the exact design of goodison - otherwise we'd just stay there.
Let the experts get on with it and chill out.

I'll understand the moaning if plans are released and they confirm your suspicions. But at the moment you're simply choosing to not believe someone who is a world leading expert in their field because you don't know how they're going to do something. Seems a bit of an odd thing to get worked up about.

I agree we are not just trying to rebuild Goodison. However there seems to be a strong consensus that we want 4 separate and steep stands and not a bowl shape. Has there ever been a football ground with 4 stands that accommodates a running track? There may well be, but I've yet to see it.
 
Have you been to Hampden mate?

I was there for the Commonwealth games - it represents every concern I have over Everton's new stadium;

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Again though can we not just wait and see? We are being told that the complete opposite to what people are worrying about is going to happen, but yet some are deciding to believe it without actually seeing any plans
 
You can replicate something without copying it.
Goodison is a 40k seat stadium on a tiny footprint. Totally agree that an athletic track could not be done there.

But we're not trying to build an athletics track at goodison. At the docks we're wanting a 50-60k stadium on a bigger footprint. It's the atmosphere and intimidation we're trying to recreate, not the exact design of goodison - otherwise we'd just stay there.
Let the experts get on with it and chill out.

I'll understand the moaning if plans are released and they confirm your suspicions. But at the moment you're simply choosing to not believe someone who is a world leading expert in their furled because you don't know how they're going to do something. Seems a bit of an on thing to get worked up about.

It doesn't matter how big the 'footprint' is, it's the 'intimacy' that isn't going to be 'compromised' apparently. Their words - and that means stands close to the pitch. They are 'replicating' what Goodison is, which means vertical stands that enclose the grounds in a 'box' environment. You know, a purpose-built stadium for football.

I'm not saying I don't believe Meis, although I find it amusing how precious people seemingly are about doubting a paid architect and LCC of all things - I'm saying his words don't match up with logic. It's that simple - I'll believe him when he explains himself properly instead of the PR crusade undertaken today which everyone should be taking with a pinch of salt.

You are quite literally blindly 'believing' everything is fine - if that's your view, so be it, but you are doing so with zero evidence, whereas I'm concerned based on the fact a 400m athletics track has to be shoehorned into an allegedly purpose built football stadium.
 
Not sure why there needs to be anything retractable or removable. It's a football stadium that may host a one-off athletics event. The temporary athletics track could be constructed on top of the lower sections of seating, as far as is needed to get the track to the correct width. I can't see them putting a whole lot of design constraints on a stadium that is to last us 100 years on the off chance we may host a one-off athletics event.

Would be quite a view, up front, watching the race from below track level. I'd like tickets to that.
 

I agree we are not just trying to rebuild Goodison. However there seems to be a strong consensus that we want 4 separate and steep stands and not a bowl shape. Has there ever been a football ground with 4 stands that accommodates a running track? There may well be, but I've yet to see it.
Which is what Meis has hinted at, the expert in all of this
 
It doesn't matter how big the 'footprint' is, it's the 'intimacy' that isn't going to be 'compromised' apparently. Their words - and that means stands close to the pitch. They are 'replicating' what Goodison is, which means vertical stands that enclose the grounds in a 'box' environment. You know, a purpose-built stadium for football.

I'm not saying I don't believe Meis, although I find it amusing how precious people seemingly are about doubting a paid architect and LCC of all things - I'm saying his words don't match up with logic. It's that simple - I'll believe him when he explains himself properly instead of the PR crusade undertaken today which everyone should be taking with a pinch of salt.

You are quite literally blindly 'believing' everything is fine - if that's your view, so be it, but you are doing so with zero evidence, whereas I'm concerned based on the fact a 400m athletics track has to be shoehorned into an allegedly purpose built football stadium.

I'm not blindly believing anything. You'll just have to trust me on that.
 
..oh, I thought I'd missed something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Commonwealth_Games

In February 2017, it was reported that because of financial constraints Durban may be unable to host the Games.[2] Also in February 2017, Liverpool had offered to replace Durban as hosts for the games.[3] In March 2017, both Birmingham and Manchester in England, and Toronto, Canada, also expressed interest in hosting the games.[4][5][6]

On 13 March 2017, Durban announced that it would not be able to host the Games, due to financial constraints

Europe[edit]
David Grevemberg, chief of the Commonwealth Games Federation, stated on 15 March 2017 that officials of the organisation had received interest from four cities; Birmingham, Liverpool, London, and Manchester, all located in England, with the possibility of considering a joint-host bid from all four cities.[15] Both Birmingham and Liverpool had also announced their plans to bid for the 2026 Commonwealth Games,[4][16] with Manchester having previously hosted the 2002 Commonwealth Games.[5] London which hosted the 2012 Summer Olympics and the 1934 British Empire Games (now known as the Commonwealth Games),[17] expressed their interested in a joint-city bid on 15 March 2017.[15] On 18 May 2017, London withdrew interest in hosting the 2022 Commonwealth Games, leaving Birmingham and Liverpool as the UK's potential candidate cities.

Cardiff Council considered a bid for the 2026 Commonwealth Games, and worked closely with engineering firm Arup to establish the modifications needed for certain possible venues, and the cost of doing so. After cost predictions increased to £1.3-£1.5 billion, the project was scrapped.
 
They said it won't effect how close the stands are to the pitch.

That's their words they have to stick to now.

How? I do not have a clue. But it's not my job to know. It's theirs. It's now what is expected.

You can say it's not possible and ask how as much as you want, they've said it won't. Therefore if it does then they've let us down.

Perhaps significantly, the club themselves haven't said this.

Even if they had, I still can't envisage how. If they gave some details, or there was another stadium where it worked, I'd shut up.
 

It doesn't matter how big the 'footprint' is, it's the 'intimacy' that isn't going to be 'compromised' apparently. Their words - and that means stands close to the pitch. They are 'replicating' what Goodison is, which means vertical stands that enclose the grounds in a 'box' environment. You know, a purpose-built stadium for football.

I'm not saying I don't believe Meis, although I find it amusing how precious people seemingly are about doubting a paid architect and LCC of all things - I'm saying his words don't match up with logic. It's that simple - I'll believe him when he explains himself properly instead of the PR crusade undertaken today which everyone should be taking with a pinch of salt.

You are quite literally blindly 'believing' everything is fine - if that's your view, so be it, but you are doing so with zero evidence, whereas I'm concerned based on the fact a 400m athletics track has to be shoehorned into an allegedly purpose built football stadium.
But aren't you just blindly believing that everything won't be fine?
 
Which is what Meis has hinted at, the expert in all of this

I hope so mate. It may well have been done but I can't think where it has been done before. The second question in all of this, is how are we being compensated as a business to allow LCC to rent our stadium and make hundreds of millions of pounds as a result?
 
My concern is they've used the signing of players to take the sting out of this.

Well the design of the stadium is way more important than a clutch of come day go day players.

I really think it's time that opposition was mobilised and formalised to any attempt by the club to consider this CG BS plan and to leave them with no illusion whatsoever that only a Juventus style interior and stand design is acceptable. If we dont they will hand us an identikit no mark bowl shaped monstrosity for the next 100 years.
 

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