Mayor's Bramley Moore Dock Open Letter To Evertonians

[ijjysmith]

Oh yes.
we're doomed. Doomed to hell.

That's better.

Can't believe we've signed Mo Farrah. Unreal.

 

[beachy]

bottom line - there's no way it will have four steep raked stands.

how could you fit a running track in juve's new stadium for example?

 

[Kal El]

 

[davek]

This is like Christmas for you after yesterday Dave.

I resent that. Enormously.

 

[bicycleheader]

No it really isn't that - the problem is what Meis believes constitutes the 'intimacy' of the ground. His view may be entirely different to ours.

It's not a matter of trust; it's more a matter of logic and math. You couldn't fit a running track inside Goodison, so how do you replicate what Goodison is by including one?

bang on

 

[catcherintherye]

All the bold bits in Joe Anderson's letter created solely to pre-empt/curb the concerns;



1. Tell us the 'How' because as we were saying before the letter, and as @roydo captured in this thread;



2. What do the club get from compromising/working around the challenge of athletics to accommodate Liverpool's 2022 bid? What is the benefit to Everton to host/support the bid?

If the two questions are answered, I sit on my hands until we see the designs.

Until then, you have to ask the questions...

Point 2 is particularly important. Easy to see what Anderson get's from this so why he's out defending it. Meis won;t be fussed either way he gets paid. What are the club getting from this? Or more to the point, how much are LCC planning to pay us to rent out stadium? It would seem without our stadium there is no Commonwealth games, so we should be asking for a pretty hefty fee as a reward for this.

 

[Baines' left foot]

What a fkn joke this club is lol

 

[Amw79]

How's the design and planning gonna work in this current uncertainty? Decision on the host of CWG not due to be made until the end of the year.

Will we have to have 2 designs running simultaneously, in the event that Liverpool does/doesn't get the nod?

Surely this adds uncertainty to design, timings, costings etc.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

So, the architecht, the club and now the mayor all state that they want the stands to be close to the pitch and intimidating and nothing will compromise that, but yet somehow they are all lying? Right

The club haven't said anything in relation to the bid yet.

You was saying earlier it was a non issue, yet a coordinated, strategic open letter solely on the issue released by the Mayor on the issue suggests otherwise eh...

bottom line - there's no way it will have four steep raked stands.

how could you fit a running track in juve's new stadium for example?

Indeed.

It's a compromise, we just don't know what for.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

How's the design and planning gonna work in this current uncertainty? Decision on the host of CWG not due to be made until the end of the year.

Will we have to have 2 designs running simultaneously, in the event that Liverpool does/doesn't get the nod?

Surely this adds uncertainty to design, timings, coatings etc.

Another very good point.

 

[The_La]

No, it's actual maths against his word.

• Goodison Park is 100x68m pitch size.
• 100x68m cannot fit a 400m athletics track.
• Meis has said a track can be installed and not compromise intimacy.
• Anderson says the aim is to 'replicate' what Goodison offers.

That doesn't add up.

I'm not assuming it's going to be crap; I simply want an answer to how they expect the numbers to add up, because what they are saying and, on the surface, what they are doing are two completely different things.

You can replicate something without copying it.
Goodison is a 40k seat stadium on a tiny footprint. Totally agree that an athletic track could not be done there.

But we're not trying to build an athletics track at goodison. At the docks we're wanting a 50-60k stadium on a bigger footprint. It's the atmosphere and intimidation we're trying to recreate, not the exact design of goodison - otherwise we'd just stay there.
Let the experts get on with it and chill out.

I'll understand the moaning if plans are released and they confirm your suspicions. But at the moment you're simply choosing to not believe someone who is a world leading expert in their field because you don't know how they're going to do something. Seems a bit of an odd thing to get worked up about.

 

[barneygumble]

Can no one else just envisage them building the running track very high? Hypothetically, we build a 55,000 stadium, you build it up so much that it eradicates a large chunk of the lower like Hampden did?

I'm concerned too, but trying to see the positives here.

 

[SerenityNigh]

I'm sure it is, but that would still result in a very shallow "plate" like design that bulbs in and out, dissipating the atmosphere.

That is not a purpose built stadium for football - it'd be like the Etihad but with retractable seats. Some may say that's not a bad thing, but that's not the point, as it would not be 'replicating' the intimacy of Goodison, and that's the word Anderson has used.

Actually, hollow space under the stands would increase the volume of the stadium, acting like a drum

 

[bignev23]

I hope Anderson chokes to death on his Cannoli the fat leech.

An who cares about the Commonwealth games anyway what a load of crud they are.

 

[KUEFC09U2]

How's the design and planning gonna work in this current uncertainty? Decision on the host of CWG not due to be made until the end of the year.

Will we have to have 2 designs running simultaneously, in the event that Liverpool does/doesn't get the nod?

Surely this adds uncertainty to design, timings, coatings etc.

Or one design but featuring different technology