Mayor's Bramley Moore Dock Open Letter To Evertonians

[bicycleheader]

He could very well say the same to you though. You - without having seen any plans or been privy to any discussions - are assuming that the stadium is going to be crap and that a running track is going to mean a sacrifice of what the fans want.

He's telling you it isn't. Your word against his.

But doesn't the history of running tracks in football stadiums, temporary or otherwise, suggest that there is a reason for being concerned?

I'd agree with @Tubey , the how is the key to whether this is a big deal or not.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

All the bold bits in Joe Anderson's letter created solely to pre-empt/curb the concerns;

The Club’s new stadium will be purpose-built as a football stadium for generations of Everton fans to enjoy, keeping the intimate atmosphere and close-to-the-pitch feel that our games are famous for.
However, our commitment to working with the Club to deliver the world-class, iconic waterfront stadium that all Evertonians will be proud to call home will not be compromised in any way.

1. Tell us the 'How' because as we were saying before the letter, and as @roydo captured in this thread;

Easy to say, but for the life of me, I cant see how a football ground, designed for football, can actually physically absorb the acreage of an athletics track, other than some space age design meaning stands sort of disappear some how.

2. What do the club get from compromising/working around the challenge of athletics to accommodate Liverpool's 2022 bid? What is the benefit to Everton to host/support the bid?

If the two questions are answered, I sit on my hands until we see the designs.

Until then, you have to ask the questions...

 

[TheFinnFan]

We did GET THE SITE CAUSE/after promise of compromise I think

I trust Meiss 100% he will make this work and we will have greatest stadium in the whole country in few years.

 

[Tubey]

He could very well say the same to you though. You - without having seen any plans or been privy to any discussions - are assuming that the stadium is going to be crap and that a running track is going to mean a sacrifice of what the fans want.

He's telling you it isn't. Your word against his.

No, it's actual maths against his word.

• Goodison Park is 100x68m pitch size.
• 100x68m cannot fit a 400m athletics track.
• Meis has said a track can be installed and not compromise intimacy.
• Anderson says the aim is to 'replicate' what Goodison offers.

That doesn't add up.

I'm not assuming it's going to be crap; I simply want an answer to how they expect the numbers to add up, because what they are saying and, on the surface, what they are doing are two completely different things.

 

[Moomin]

@orly get the weasel index, we have a new entry.

Remember someone throwing his dummy out of the pram because i questioned his so called info he said on numerous occasions " NO RUNNING TRACK "

The design for the BMD stadium is already done and will be released when EFC have the funding guaranteed and want to announce it. That's the hold up. It is not a bowl. There is no running track. Why do you think Anderson suddenly started throwing Manchester's name around as hosting some of the events in recent days? Because he now knows there is no chance of a permanent running track at BMD or even a temporary one. Glasgow hosted the 2014 games. Opening & closing ceremonies at Celtic Park (no running track) and athletics at Hampden Park in a different city, Edinburgh. That's what Anderson is referring to - the athletics being held in Manchester.

Really wish I could say more but I can't and I realise that makes me look like the usual dreaded self-styled ITK on here but it's gonna be a 58000 four sided stadium with one side being a massive one tier 15-20000 seater 'kop' stand (for want of a better word). There is not going to be a running track under any circumstances. That's not in Dan's design, that's not the wish of the club, the club realise what a total PR disaster it would be, and they've learned from the West Ham situation, as referenced by Dan himself on Twitter.

The Commonwealth Games bid really has no real influence at all on the design and building of this new stadium. I appreciate some people find that hard to believe due to Joe at times trying to marry up the two concepts together but that really is the case. The design for the BMD stadium will be out long before the outcome of the Commonwealth Games bid is known and they're not putting a running track in on the off chance that Liverpool gets awarded the games, nor is there any contingency plan to change the design and insert a track if the bid is successful.

Again you can think that. You're entitled to. Plenty have said stuff that has turned out to be total BS.

All I know is what I posted could not have come from a better source.

I'm not going to spend the next 20+ pages defending myself. I've posted it now and that's that. You/we'll see, hopefully soon.

Aye, I've found that out to my cost.

Should have just said 'there won't be a running track' and left it at that.

FAO @Moomin and others:

Firstly, my source for the information I posted today is not The Esk.

There really is no need for this amount of hostility and suspicion. Cynics like yourself playing 'gotcha', trawling through old post history to try to 'prove' something, evidently to try to 'prove' that I'm a liar.

I do not 'get in a tiff and run off'. This sort of stuff you're doing makes me not want to post on here, which is a shame. I know of lots of others who feel exactly the same way as me. I dip in and out of the thread from time to time, as any normal Blue does. I don't live on the GOT message board as some Blues seem to do (and there's nothing wrong with that, just my life is busy and I don't have the time to spend more of it on here.

Basically, when people are constantly posting things in this thread that I know for a fact are untrue, and I'm reading it, and I'm a Blue, well.... what exactly would you do if you were in my shoes?

Not really sure what more there is to say. I said I wasn't going to spend the next 20+ pages defending myself and I want to stick to that.

As mentioned earlier Moomin, if you've got a problem with this, PM me and we can settle this in private. Doing this big grandstanding, calling me out, trying to disprove my credibility... yawn. I really don't care.

Congratulations mate, you win, you've run me off.

Meis isn't the one talking about a running track mate. It's trolls on here who keep bringing it up because they find it amusing.

Hilarious that mate. Sides are splitting here.

As long as people remember what I wrote for when it gets announced, hopefully there won't be too long a list of people owing me an apology on here.

 

[davek]

This is bad news. The size of the track means it will be impossible for the stands to be near the pitch (even if Dan Meis says otherwise). Very disappointing.

Bingo.

That is a very worrying development.

That is the only way you can accommodate an athletics track - if you have an interior to begin with that is shallow raking stands and eases back 'miles' from the pitch.

Its shaping up to be the reverse of the CoM stadium building process but essentially the same dimensions for football purposes in the long run.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

But is it an acceptable compromise? No one will know till we see the plans, till then, theres no point worrying.

If the club/architect are sincere in their fan consultation mate on the stadium, then I think they need to know.

They'll be monitoring sentiment to this, and already managing the PR of it in the delivery of messaging of Joe Anderson's open letter.

 

[ijjysmith]

We did get the site after promise of compromise I think

I trust Meiss 100% he will make this work and we will have greatest stadium in the whole country in few years.

Not allowed to be positive in here mate. Must look at worst case scenario.

 

[windymiller]

Bingo.

That is a very worrying development.

That is the only way you can accommodate an athletics track - if you have an interior to begin with that is shallow raking stands and eases back 'miles' from the pitch.

Its shaping up to be the reverse of the CoM stadium building process but essentially the same dimensions for football purposes in the long run.

Sadly, I think this is the most likely outcome.

 

[orly]

@orly get the weasel index, we have a new entry.

Remember someone throwing his dummy out of the pram because i questioned his so called info he said on numerous occasions " NO RUNNING TRACK "

It's not a transfer but for this weasel i can make an exception

 

[Goat]

Personally im gonna wait for designs before I accept the PR spin from both sides.

 

[Blue83]

The track is temporary

Maybe part of the design will be a removable section of the stadium to accommodate the track which can then be put back in place ?

I'm assuming while the CWG is on we won't be using the stadium for football so it makes sense to be able to remove part of it, replace with track for CWG then after CWG is over put back what we replaced for the track ?

I'm no engineer but that's how I would do it if I wasn't going to compromise atmosphere or intimacy for football

 

[davek]

The club allow Meis and Anderson to inform us of the bad news on the stadium.

Classy.

 

[Tubey]

Bingo.

That is a very worrying development.

That is the only way you can accommodate an athletics track - if you have an interior to begin with that is shallow raking stands and eases back 'miles' from the pitch.

Its shaping up to be the reverse of the CoM stadium building process but essentially the same dimensions for football purposes in the long run.

Correct. Which means it wouldn't be a purpose-built football stadium. Which means Anderson and Meis are chatting wham.

Hence why we need concrete answers and details instead of PR and 'open letter' fluff.

 

[ijjysmith]

He could very well say the same to you though. You - without having seen any plans or been privy to any discussions - are assuming that the stadium is going to be crap and that a running track is going to mean a sacrifice of what the fans want.

He's telling you it isn't. Your word against his.

It's whether you trust the guy or not.

I'm choosing to trust him. Others seem to not trust him. Think that's about it.