2017/18 Michael Keane

[Paul E]

Burnley fan here with my two penneth.

I was shocked at just how poor Michael Keane was today. He was bloody awful and a shadow of the player I watched last season.

Just a couple of points i’d like to make :-

1. Keane is pretty rapid, I promise you. He may not be showing it now but he was the fastest player at our club last season.

2. This “Ben Mee” covered for him thing. Ben Mee is a Burnley hero but he’s a pretty basic defender who is incredibly brave. He’s not Cannavaro or anything like that.

I can only put it down to our system and - to be frank - Everton’s absolute lack of one. At Burnley our centre halves know that when we don’t have the ball his other centre half is no more than 6-8 yards away from him, his central midfielders are in front of him, his full back is tucked in and the winger is tracking back. Today you could have driven a bus through the space between Keane and Martina and DCL did not help him at all.

No centre half likes a ball in behind him and running back toward their own goal but we forced Keane to do that all game. Keane with the game in front of him is a vastly different player, I promise you.

What I will say is that he did not look up for it at all today. He was neither touch tight to Barnes or sitting off to pick up the flicks. He was just in no-man’s land meaning Barnes wasn’t pressured when the ball was played into him at all. His face ...... he just looked terrified. Was odd to see.

Just one last word - Ashley f’ing Williams. He was utterly dreadful today and he wants shooting for that second goal and the sending off. There’s a vid doing the rounds on Twitter where he swung an elbow at Wood about 5 minutes before he got sent off too - real lucky to get away with that.

I don’t like Allardyce, I think he’s a [Poor language removed]. His interview and his smirk during it angered me so God knows how it made you lot feel. Fingers crossed you bin him off soon.

Nice one mate. All pretty honest there.
Williams is a dog of a footballer and should never play for us again. The fact he gets the armband ahead of Coleman is a disgrace.

 

[nsno-chris]

Burnley fan here with my two penneth.

I was shocked at just how poor Michael Keane was today. He was bloody awful and a shadow of the player I watched last season.

Just a couple of points i’d like to make :-

1. Keane is pretty rapid, I promise you. He may not be showing it now but he was the fastest player at our club last season.

2. This “Ben Mee” covered for him thing. Ben Mee is a Burnley hero but he’s a pretty basic defender who is incredibly brave. He’s not Cannavaro or anything like that.

I can only put it down to our system and - to be frank - Everton’s absolute lack of one. At Burnley our centre halves know that when we don’t have the ball his other centre half is no more than 6-8 yards away from him, his central midfielders are in front of him, his full back is tucked in and the winger is tracking back. Today you could have driven a bus through the space between Keane and Martina and DCL did not help him at all.

No centre half likes a ball in behind him and running back toward their own goal but we forced Keane to do that all game. Keane with the game in front of him is a vastly different player, I promise you.

What I will say is that he did not look up for it at all today. He was neither touch tight to Barnes or sitting off to pick up the flicks. He was just in no-man’s land meaning Barnes wasn’t pressured when the ball was played into him at all. His face ...... he just looked terrified. Was odd to see.

Just one last word - Ashley f’ing Williams. He was utterly dreadful today and he wants shooting for that second goal and the sending off. There’s a vid doing the rounds on Twitter where he swung an elbow at Wood about 5 minutes before he got sent off too - real lucky to get away with that.

I don’t like Allardyce, I think he’s a [Poor language removed]. His interview and his smirk during it angered me so God knows how it made you lot feel. Fingers crossed you bin him off soon.

Hi Mert,

Michael Keane is crap, he’s that bad that your gravely voiced, ginger minge manager singled him out today

 

[DanEFC92]

Evening toffees.

 

[hktoffee]

First of all, the Burnley game plan had nothing to do with attacking Keane, it was attacking Martina with pace, which is why Lennon was put out there and they tried to get him the ball every chance they got.

Second of all, Keane is fast. So AGAIN, let's stop the mythology here. Is he playing fast? No.

I agree with Davek to an extent. The level of defensive organization under both Koeman AND Sam has been terrible. THAT BEING SAID, I'm not sure what you do about the complete lack of awareness and recognition that he shows at times. That really seems like it should be somewhat inherent.

I hated the signing, but thought he showed promise until he got hurt early. The only thing I'll say is that he's flanked by Williams and Martina. I mean, wow. But I'd still try Mori and Holgate.

So was Martinez. Koeman actually did alright last season. Moyes was decent.

 

[maccavennie]

Burnley fan here with my two penneth.

I was shocked at just how poor Michael Keane was today. He was bloody awful and a shadow of the player I watched last season.

Just a couple of points i’d like to make :-

1. Keane is pretty rapid, I promise you. He may not be showing it now but he was the fastest player at our club last season.

2. This “Ben Mee” covered for him thing. Ben Mee is a Burnley hero but he’s a pretty basic defender who is incredibly brave. He’s not Cannavaro or anything like that.

I can only put it down to our system and - to be frank - Everton’s absolute lack of one. At Burnley our centre halves know that when we don’t have the ball his other centre half is no more than 6-8 yards away from him, his central midfielders are in front of him, his full back is tucked in and the winger is tracking back. Today you could have driven a bus through the space between Keane and Martina and DCL did not help him at all.

No centre half likes a ball in behind him and running back toward their own goal but we forced Keane to do that all game. Keane with the game in front of him is a vastly different player, I promise you.

What I will say is that he did not look up for it at all today. He was neither touch tight to Barnes or sitting off to pick up the flicks. He was just in no-man’s land meaning Barnes wasn’t pressured when the ball was played into him at all. His face ...... he just looked terrified. Was odd to see.

Just one last word - Ashley f’ing Williams. He was utterly dreadful today and he wants shooting for that second goal and the sending off. There’s a vid doing the rounds on Twitter where he swung an elbow at Wood about 5 minutes before he got sent off too - real lucky to get away with that.

I don’t like Allardyce, I think he’s a [Poor language removed]. His interview and his smirk during it angered me so God knows how it made you lot feel. Fingers crossed you bin him off soon.

Cheers for that feedback mate but what you mention is the problem. You've just said he looked great when his centre back partner was 6 yards away from him, the full back was tucked in and the centre mid was just in front. Unfortunately mate we can't mother him by surrounding him with 3 others players to clean his crap up, he's a defender who csnt defend, can't turn, runs like my mum, plays like my mum.

Honestly, I'd flog him back to you for 5m in a heartbeat.

One of the biggest bottlers for a centre back I've seen at Everton for years. Woeful player.

Well done today as well mate, good team performance and a fully deserved 3 points

 

[Socrates1882]

Hi Mert,

Michael Keane is crap, he’s that bad that your gravely voiced, ginger minge manager singled him out today

A bit.

I think it was more attacking Martina too. Lennon has been playing on the left for us but I think it was a definite plan to have him up against Martina.

One other thing. Keane played right sided centre half in all his time for us. Maybe he’s just more comfortable there.

 

[kenada_blue]

First of all, the Burnley game plan had nothing to do with attacking Keane, it was attacking Martina with pace, which is why Lennon was put out there and they tried to get him the ball every chance they got.

Second of all, Keane is fast. So AGAIN, let's stop the mythology here. Is he playing fast? No.

I agree with Davek to an extent. The level of defensive organization under both Koeman AND Sam has been terrible. THAT BEING SAID, I'm not sure what you do about the complete lack of awareness and recognition that he shows at times. That really seems like it should be somewhat inherent.

I hated the signing, but thought he showed promise until he got hurt early. The only thing I'll say is that he's flanked by Williams and Martina. I mean, wow. But I'd still try Mori and Holgate.

We went in 1 up. Dyche saw how awful our CBs were dealing with long balls, crosses, and physical strikers....

So he stuck Chris Wood on.

Keane has struggled all season with the above. Hes not physical enough, he's not strong in the air, he doesn't even like to tackle.

Holgate has shown more this season

 

[nsno-chris]

Oh and FYI @Socrates1882 hes a massive shithouse

 

[Socrates1882]

Cheers for that feedback mate but what you mention is the problem. You've just said he looked great when his centre back partner was 6 yards away from him, the full back was tucked in and the centre mid was just in front. Unfortunately mate we can't mother him by surrounding him with 3 others players

100% agree.

Said to my Dad this summer that Keane, whoever he went to, would have to get used to 1-on-1 defending and dealing with space all around him. Totally different game and he’s not dealing very well with it at the moment.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

Burnley fan here with my two penneth.

I was shocked at just how poor Michael Keane was today. He was bloody awful and a shadow of the player I watched last season.

Just a couple of points i’d like to make :-

1. Keane is pretty rapid, I promise you. He may not be showing it now but he was the fastest player at our club last season.

2. This “Ben Mee” covered for him thing. Ben Mee is a Burnley hero but he’s a pretty basic defender who is incredibly brave. He’s not Cannavaro or anything like that.

I can only put it down to our system and - to be frank - Everton’s absolute lack of one. At Burnley our centre halves know that when we don’t have the ball his other centre half is no more than 6-8 yards away from him, his central midfielders are in front of him, his full back is tucked in and the winger is tracking back. Today you could have driven a bus through the space between Keane and Martina and DCL did not help him at all.

No centre half likes a ball in behind him and running back toward their own goal but we forced Keane to do that all game. Keane with the game in front of him is a vastly different player, I promise you.

What I will say is that he did not look up for it at all today. He was neither touch tight to Barnes or sitting off to pick up the flicks. He was just in no-man’s land meaning Barnes wasn’t pressured when the ball was played into him at all. His face ...... he just looked terrified. Was odd to see.

Just one last word - Ashley f’ing Williams. He was utterly dreadful today and he wants shooting for that second goal and the sending off. There’s a vid doing the rounds on Twitter where he swung an elbow at Wood about 5 minutes before he got sent off too - real lucky to get away with that.

I don’t like Allardyce, I think he’s a [Poor language removed]. His interview and his smirk during it angered me so God knows how it made you lot feel. Fingers crossed you bin him off soon.

Don't think anyone can really disagree with that. Just hope you're right on Keane though. At the moment he's in the running for our flops op the PL era team.

 

[maccavennie]

100% agree.

Said to my Dad this summer that Keane, whoever he went to, would have to get used to 1-on-1 defending and dealing with space all around him. Totally different game and he’s not dealing very well with it at the moment.

The worry I have mate is I don't think it's something he is going to get better at. 1 v 1 he looks Woeful, when teams get round the back he's Woeful, quick flat crosses in he looks woeful.

T

 

[Socrates1882]

The worry I have mate is I don't think it's something he is going to get better at. 1 v 1 he looks Woeful, when teams get round the back he's Woeful, quick flat crosses in he looks woeful.

T

He definitely did today.

Thing is, from what I can see, right now you have no defenders comfortable defending 1-on-1 so it seems madness asking them to do it.

Gut-wrenching as it is a bit of pragmatism is needed right now because that was a bad performance from Everton today. Some real quality individually but you weren’t a team at all, no joined up thinking at all.

I really do feel for you. I’d love to see you finish above that red lot, but that summer transfer window was a car crash. Madness to spend £25 million on a centre-half and then ask him to do things he’s not very good at.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

He definitely did today.

Thing is, from what I can see, right now you have no defenders comfortable defending 1-on-1 so it seems madness asking them to do it.

Gut-wrenching as it is a bit of pragmatism is needed right now because that was a bad performance from Everton today. Some real quality individually but you weren’t a team at all, no joined up thinking at all.

I really do feel for you. I’d love to see you finish above that red lot, but that summer transfer window was a car crash. Madness to spend £25 million on a centre-half and then ask him to do things he’s not very good at.

This is how we roll.

 

[paulbefc]

What an enormous disappointment this fella's been.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

100% agree.

Said to my Dad this summer that Keane, whoever he went to, would have to get used to 1-on-1 defending and dealing with space all around him. Totally different game and he’s not dealing very well with it at the moment.

A huge understatement that is and the guy is 25 so why on earth is he only now getting used to or having to deal with 1v1 defending.