Migrant Crisis

[Billy Dean]

Do we not have enough poor people? Will you volunteer to pay extra tax to cover the needs of such migrants?

There are areas from which the government could divert funds without increasing taxes. But in any case personally I would make a contribution and regularly do.

 

[dandydan]

There are areas from which the government could divert funds without increasing taxes. But in any case personally I would make a contribution and regularly do.

And will you join the thousands opening their homes to said unfortunates?

 

[SNova]

This simply isn't a black and white issue, it's very complex. No one wants to see human suffering.

Do gooders pat themselves on the back for wanting to accept all of the migrants. Which encourages more to come and more to die on their way. Just like this little boy.

Champagne socialist do gooders have blood on their hands, it's okay though, they feel good that they aren't a nasty right winger.

 

[edge]

And will you join the thousands opening their homes to said unfortunates?

good luck with housing them , if its escaping poverty and war that gives you the right to be here that lets in about 80% of the worlds population .

 

[Billy Dean]

And will you join the thousands opening their homes to said unfortunates?

I'll certainly be checking out Bruce's link! But in any case your argument is stupid. Accommodation should be provided by the state.

This simply isn't a black and white issue, it's very complex. No one wants to see human suffering.

Do gooders pat themselves on the back for wanting to accept all of the migrants. Which encourages more to come and more to die on their way. Just like this little boy.

Champagne socialist do gooders have blood on their hands, it's okay though, they feel good that they aren't a nasty right winger.

What the fascists don't realise is that you can put as many barbed wire fences up as you like, and treat them like vermin as much you like, but it won't discourage them from making the trip.

 

[john jako]

Creating stability in war torn countries is a complex issue but obviously would be the easiest way to stop the influx of personel into the country.

The problem will get worse before it gets better. ISIS will only grow and expand through the world.

I see both sides of the arguement but i cant side with any. The issue is so complexed. Mr Cameron will be earning his dollar soon.

 

[SNova]

I'll certainly be checking out Bruce's link! But in any case your argument is stupid. Accommodation should be provided by the state.



What the fascists don't realise is that you can put as many barbed wire fences up as you like, and treat them like vermin as much you like, but it won't discourage them from making the trip.

Australia faced a similar problem. The boats did stop coming. I want to help these people and stop the boats from coming.

Another thing that people are not considering is that the criminals who own the boats are making millions.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'll certainly be checking out Bruce's link! But in any case your argument is stupid. Accommodation should be provided by the state.

I'm not sure they can cope in any way to be honest with you. They can't cope with the current refugee numbers let alone with a load more. It's great that things like the German project to help house refugees, or the Portuguese one to help them integrate are taking place, but we still face a situation where most of the migrants will face a lengthy wait before they can work legally and so on.

https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum/overview

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/working-whilst-an-asylum-claim-is-considered

During this time, the border agency are tasked with housing them outside of London/South-East, with a card given to the asylum seeker that can be used to buy things in certain shops. I don't know the average length of time to process an application, but I suspect it isn't short.

Oxford university have a decent resource on asylum seekers if anyone is interested.

http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/migration-uk-asylum

 

[1966efc]

Effectively, Europe is beginning to experience a war situation (in terms of the movement of people) but there is a lack of political and social agreement what to do about it.

Sweeping declarations of one's love for mankind or denouncing such people as hopeless do gooders won't play any part in solving the crisis. Until the government and the E U come up with a credible plan, there'll continue to be a good deal of hot air, hand wringing, and apoplectic faces.

 

[Billy Dean]

Australia faced a similar problem. The boats did stop coming. I want to help these people and stop the boats from coming.

Another thing that people are not considering is that the criminals who own the boats are making millions.

Were they stopped or just diverted. Whether that's 'helping' is highly debatable.

 

[edge]

Effectively, Europe is beginning to experience a war situation (in terms of the movement of people) but there is a lack of political and social agreement what to do about it.

Sweeping declarations of one's love for mankind or denouncing such people as hopeless do gooders won't play any part in solving the crisis. Until the government and the E U come up with a credible plan, there'll continue to be a good deal of hot air, hand wringing, and apoplectic faces.

nailed on the head mate, the governments of Europe are being shown up when anything other than business as normal happens they freeze and panic,

 

[1966efc]

I wasn't having a dig at you - your post was bang-on the money.

I just find it hard to believe that no-one has mentioned the security aspect already. Far too many have slipped back in to the EU and elsewhere from training camps and/or having seen action fighting for ISIS/AQ or whomever, and there are clear, direct lines to those who carry out the terrorist attacks. We're currently struggling to manage that as it is, and every attack brings fresh criticism that we're failing to stop these terrorists moving about, so to relax our [already lax] frontier controls and systems of checks etc would be a step in the wrong direction.

Don't get me wrong, I pity the poor souls genuinely fleeing conflict and its never nice to read, hear or see of anyone perishing in such circumstances - let alone young children. But there are factors at play here that most people don't consider, or choose to gloss over and think it'll be alright.

As far as I can see there isn't a hope of preventing would be terrorists from entering Europe: the situation is beyond chaotic and the putative terrorist has the perfect cover ... couldn't bring my papers - destroyed or lost in the upheaval.

I can foresee a day where I D cards are imposed across Europe which will be used to keep tabs on possible suspects, use of health systems and access to benefits.

This "warm war" will expose the limitations of our politicians as never before. In my opinion, but what do I know?!

 

[dandydan]

I'll certainly be checking out Bruce's link! But in any case your argument is stupid. Accommodation should be provided by the state.



What the fascists don't realise is that you can put as many barbed wire fences up as you like, and treat them like vermin as much you like, but it won't discourage them from making the trip.

The only accomodation that can be built in the short term would be some sort of camp, a bit fascist wouldn't you say?
Here are the countries most are fleeing from. Imagine if word gets back that its easy to get in and say 1 in 20 make the trip
13 Ethiopia 96,506,031
35 Sudan 38,764,090
38 Iraq 34,768,761
40 Afghanistan 31,280,518
55 Syria 21,986,615

 

[SNova]

The EU is being shown to be an utter sham throughout all of this. Hopefully we vote to leave.

 

[john jako]

Face the fact with terrorists. We do a good job of controlling them. Considering the way they operate especially in countries such as syria we are doing a good job. Seeing the stats from the government we foil alot of plots (havent got the figures infront of me). ISIS in Syria arent just terorists. They are so different in the way they operate and their beliefs to say Al Qaeda.

Im guessing the government has concentrated mainly on the the terrorism inside syria and not on the reprecutions of ISIS inside Syria. Now because of that we are a few months behind the curve and will be hard to recover.