Migrant Crisis

[dandydan]

Again without wanting to sound political, it would appear that the attitude that it's not our problem prevails .

Those seeking asylum are supposed to stop in the first safe country they arrive in so in that sense it isn't.
But seeing as the illegal invasion of Iraq and subsequent break down of law and order spawned ISIS which spread to Syria we have played a big part in creating this.

 

[LocalNative]

When you see the rest of Europe, particularly Germany and Iceland being so open to the prospect I think it makes you think about it more. Clearly in the UK there is a stigmata towards immigrants in certain parts. I'm not going to get into whether it's justifiable or not. The fact of the matter is that these people are living in a warzone, in areas where they are or a member of their family is certain to die in if they don't move. Then the problem lies in immigrating and the dangers that come with that.

Who are we to turn people away? They want the same life as the rest of us but just haven't been as fortunate in where they're born.

 

[WarringtonBlue]

Remember Katie Hopkins, in her column for the Sun, called these refugees parasites, and actively welcomed turning them back. Well these are the bloody consequences of that Katie. Awful awful pictures

 

[Minimeister]

Hopefully it's that kind of powerful image that will aid others in that situation. RIP little fella.

 

[Mrk]

When you see the rest of Europe, particularly Germany and Iceland being so open to the prospect I think it makes you think about it more. Clearly in the UK there is a stigmata towards immigrants in certain parts. I'm not going to get into whether it's justifiable or not. The fact of the matter is that these people are living in a warzone, in areas where they are or a member of their family is certain to die in if they don't move. Then the problem lies in immigrating and the dangers that come with that.

Who are we to turn people away? They want the same life as the rest of us but just haven't been as fortunate in where they're born.

I think the problem with the mentality of the UK is we are constantly weary about "opening the floodgates" - which, even though I don't agree with it, is a perfectly rational response. But that mindset needs to be challenged, especially in a situation like this.

 

[bizzaro]

A three year old Syrian boy was found drowned on a beach in Bodrum, Turkey today. His five year old brother is missing believed drowned also. I didn't post the still photographs of the little boy as its just too upsetting. I won't lie, I wept when I saw it on the news. The image is burnt into my brain and this can't go on.

Can we please have a sensible discussion about this, without bringing in race or the British benefit system as there are plenty of other European countries who are taking more migrants than the UK.


Surerly if we work with the rest of Europe we can help these people ?.

In 1997 the UK population was 56 million.

It's now 66 million.

German politician lectures on this are going to fall on deaf ears as Germany hasn't seen anywhere close to the net population increase the UK has which is almost entirely immigration related. This is a fact. Birth rates in the UK have only increased in the past 15 years due to immigration!

This is causing what I would term 'immigration fatigue' in the UK.

This means the natural inclination of people in the UK is to view a humanitarian refugee crisis (Syria)

Confused with economic migrants abusing the asylum system

Negatively.


Germany has not seen the same levels of net migration the UK has nor the complete change of some parts of the UK or the social integration issues this has generated.

It's easy for German politicans to blame the UK.

They are looking after German interests not British. Plus won't acknowledge the extra 10 million people now in the UK in 15 years.

It's easy to lecture when they're not I'm the same position we are.


Refugees and Economic migrants

Are not the same.

Some of the latter claim to be the former.

Which is an abuse of the system

 

[dandydan]

In 1997 the UK population was 56 million.

It's now 66 million.

German politician lectures on this are going to fall on deaf ears as Germany hasn't seen anywhere close to the net population increase the UK has which is almost entirely immigration related. This is a fact. Birth rates in the UK have only increased in the past 15 years due to immigration!

This is causing what I would term immigration fatigue in the UK.

This means the natural inclination of people in the UK is to view a humanitarian refugee crisis (Syria)

Confused with economic migrants abusing the asylum system

Negatively.


Germany has not seen the same levels of net migration the UK has nor the complete change of some parts of the UK or the social integration issues this has generated.

It's easy for German political to blame the UK.

They are looking after German interests not British. Plus won't acknowledge the extra 10 million people now in the UK in 15 years.

It's easy to lecture when they're not I'm the same position we are.


Refugees and Economic migrants

Are not the same.

Some of the latter claim to be the former.

Which is an abuse of the system

Nail on head! The asylum system has been abused by economic migrants for too long so that now most people are cynical when they hear the words asylum seeker.

 

[Mrk]

Nail on head! The asylum system has been abused by economic migrants for too long so that now most people are cynical when they hear the words asylum seeker.

Surely we should act first and worry about that later? Public opinion is important, but if the EU is prepared to show some leadership, public opinion will turn.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Has anyone suggested tommy guns on the white cliffs of Dover yet?

No?

Not even Farage?

*grabs coat*

 

[hullefc]

Germany opens its gates: Berlin says all Syrian asylum ...

Icelanders call on government to take in more Syrian refugees

'Airbnb for refugees' group overwhelmed by offers of help

How citizens of Germany, Iceland are welcoming refugees ...

Heart warming response from Icelanders and the German people and government to a heart breaking situation.

 

[LocalNative]

I think the problem with the mentality of the UK is we are constantly weary about "opening the floodgates" - which, even though I don't agree with it, is a perfectly rational response. But that mindset needs to be challenged, especially in a situation like this.

Definitely. But there has to be some sort of action. Not Britain solely, it should be an EU decision as a whole. Accepting these refugees is essentially giving them life.

 

[bizzaro]

Germany opens its gates: Berlin says all Syrian asylum ...

Icelanders call on government to take in more Syrian refugees

'Airbnb for refugees' group overwhelmed by offers of help

How citizens of Germany, Iceland are welcoming refugees ...

Heart warming response from Icelanders and the German people and government to a heart breaking situation.

It's easier for Germany to say that.

The UK as indicated has had hugely high immigration levels year in year out for over 15 years.

It's caused fatigue in the UK population with it.

There's just an expectation that the UK continues to accept more and more and more.

Mainly due to an abuse of the system by politicians allowing 'economic migrants' to abuse the system.

So when genuine refugees need it help.

They're the first to miss out.

Look at how population growth changed in the early 2000's in the UK. Due to immigration post 1997.

It completely wipes out Germany.

...

Germany two years ago wanted to increase immigration due to sluggish population growth harming their economy!

German politicians playing cynical games against the UK

 

[Mrk]

Definitely. But there has to be some sort of action. Not Britain solely, it should be an EU decision as a whole. Accepting these refugees is essentially giving them life.

Agree. Think Cameron is in an impossible situation without wider EU involvement and direction - the EU needs to prove for once in its rotten existence that it can do something right.

 

[Jib in lad]

Germany puts this country to shame on this.

 

[hullefc]

It's easier for Germany to say that.

The UK as indicated has had hugely high immigration levels year in year out for over 15 years.

It's caused fatigue in the UK population with it.

There's just an expectation that the UK continues to accept more and more and more.

Mainly due to an abuse of the system by politicians allowing 'economic migrants' to abuse the system.

So when genuine refugees need it help.

They're the first to miss out.

Look at how population growth changed in the early 2000's in the UK. Due to immigration post 1997.

It completely wipes out Germany.

...

Germany two years ago wanted to increase immigration due to sluggish population growth harming their economy!

German politicians playing cynical games against the UK

Oh deary, deary me.