Migrant Crisis

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Well yes, and that is something else that can be laid squarely at Erdogan's door. I think the count of airstrikes carried out by the Turkish airforce now that they are a part of the "anti-ISIS" coalition is one (on ISIS) against three hundred (on the PKK, who are fighting ISIS).

Seems every country in that region has it in for the kurds.......And they're the only ones (bar the assad regime) having a go.

 

[catcherintherye]

Well yes, and that is something else that can be laid squarely at Erdogan's door. I think the count of airstrikes carried out by the Turkish airforce now that they are a part of the "anti-ISIS" coalition is one (on ISIS) against three hundred (on the PKK, who are fighting ISIS).

Well yes exactly. It would be gross stupidity to claim that a Kurd would be safe to claim asylum in Turkey. Ignorance on a grand scale.

 

[Jxg]

I'm fully aware of this, and yet it wasn't as big a problem as first feared, was it? There's still more people from African countries coming in than there are from Bulgaria.

Also the UK is now very comfortable for students, especially Scotland. My uni's "Bulgarian Society" grew fivefold in the space of a year and a half.

So you've gone from "no issue" to "yeah it happened but it wasn't as bad as we thought right?"

It's a problem. Bulgaria and Romania are two countries out of hundreds that supply migrants to the UK, many of whom remain unemployed when they arrive. I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't be moving to any country (not just the UK) unless you either have a job lined up on arrival or you have enough money to live off.

 

[catcherintherye]

Have you ever noticed how physically small the UK is compared with say, Argentina, Russia, the other countries of the middle east, Iran, Iraq, India, China......how many refugees or economic migrants do they take in each year ?

Well it would be rather stupid for Iraq to take migrants considering that is the area they are often fleeing from. Iran take a lot of migrants from the Shia community.

As for how "small" the Uk Scotland (one third of mainland UK) is desperately crying out for migrants due to it's declining population. While we may look small on a map, only around 7% of the UK is actually built upon. The problem lies in landbanking and an inequitable approach to housing. We can and should take more, but not only that but countries within the UK are crying out for migrants of a working age.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

lol How very mohammedan of them.

Religion goes out the window when faced with a frothy pint of loveliness and a massive sausage in a bun.

 

[tsubaki]

So you've gone from "no issue" to "yeah it happened but it wasn't as bad as we thought right?"

It's a problem. Bulgaria and Romania are two countries out of hundreds that supply migrants to the UK, many of whom remain unemployed when they arrive. I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't be moving to any country (not just the UK) unless you either have a job lined up on arrival or you have enough money to live off.

That is yet another failing of the EU, though - you would think that in the spirit of "ever-closer union" that one of the first things they would do is harmonize the welfare systems of all the countries in the Union, but of course that would affect those businesses that do not want to pay a decent wage or have decent conditions when they can import cheap and vulnerable labour from outside.

 

[peteblue]

Well it would be rather stupid for Iraq to take migrants considering that is the area they are often fleeing from. Iran take a lot of migrants from the Shia community.

As for how "small" the Uk Scotland (one third of mainland UK) is desperately crying out for migrants due to it's declining population. While we may look small on a map, only around 7% of the UK is actually built upon. The problem lies in landbanking and an inequitable approach to housing. We can and should take more, but not only that but countries within the UK are crying out for migrants of a working age.

That's fine, if we need migrants then go and get the ones with the skills we need, and not just whoever slips in on the back of a wagon.......

 

[Caolam]

This is not an issue for the EU, it is for the UN. There should be a major UN conference on the refugee issue. All the countries in that organization should be compelled to take in a number relative to it's ability to do so. Unfortunately this may mean the refugees may not be able to pick their destination but they would be well catered for and safe.
Again the UN has to tackle ISIS and extremism in general, for the west to inflict a military defeat is to drive more ordinary Muslims into extremism.
If we can broaden the solution we can spread the solution and the blame factor.

 

[catcherintherye]

Turkey is completely safe from ISIS. The moment ISIS step over the border Turkey and NATO will sort them out.....

Well I don't know where to start with this. Like NATO are "sorting out" ISIS in Libya? Or Syria? The same forces who back ISIS were the ones who were idiotically providing support and arms to hardline Sunni extremists a couple of years ago in the hope they would sort the problems out for them. There are absolutely no guarentees NATO would keep any of them safe, and as indicated no Kurd would be happy to claim asylum in Turey and feel safe. I know I wouldn't, given the government there have butchered thousands of Kurds.

As regards the border, it is widely acknowledged that ISIS control the Turkish border anyway. So they have no need to go over it, they have a friendly Sunni government across the border anyway, so there is no need for them to do such a thing. NATO are yet to act over this. Whether out of incompetence or stupidity we will never know, my money is on a mix a both.

 

[oldblue]

So you've gone from "no issue" to "yeah it happened but it wasn't as bad as we thought right?"

It's a problem. Bulgaria and Romania are two countries out of hundreds that supply migrants to the UK, many of whom remain unemployed when they arrive. I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't be moving to any country (not just the UK) unless you either have a job lined up on arrival or you have enough money to live off.

so which argument are we dealing with...they are taking benefits or people's jobs. it all feels like a big smokescreen to me to stop Governments treating their own people with the decency they deserve

 

[DualityNSNO]

So you've gone from "no issue" to "yeah it happened but it wasn't as bad as we thought right?"

It's a problem. Bulgaria and Romania are two countries out of hundreds that supply migrants to the UK, many of whom remain unemployed when they arrive. I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't be moving to any country (not just the UK) unless you either have a job lined up on arrival or you have enough money to live off.

What's your basis on the claim that many arrive and just do nothing? And what do you mean, that they shouldn't have a small period of time where they work and live off what they've saved up before arriving here (e.g. a week to a few weeks, where they pay rent and live off their own savings)? Most have some sort of job (or job opportunity) lined up before they start planning their arrival anyway, or if not that then someone to stay with for at least a few weeks.

Many of those arrivals, in fact probably more than 60-70%, are also students, that's what I was getting at. The rest find whatever jobs they can as soon as they can. My friend just went to live in (around) London and had no job, took him a week and a half to find one. Was he a horrible immigrant monster because he did that?

 

[neil999]

oh man...have we not sorted this out yet?! ffs GOT

 

[tsubaki]

Well yes exactly. It would be gross stupidity to claim that a Kurd would be safe to claim asylum in Turkey. Ignorance on a grand scale.

Indeed - though the solution to situation there is not to support Kurdish emigration, its to support the Kurds in building a viable state on the land they now control in what was Iraq and Syria, of course including getting the rival factions together.

 

[catcherintherye]

That's fine, if we need migrants then go and get the ones with the skills we need, and not just whoever slips in on the back of a wagon.......

And refugees fleeing from groups who we decided to arm, we should take too? And hopefully not require them to slip in on the back of a wagon, or leave a 3 year old to drown?

 

[peteblue]

That is yet another failing of the EU, though - you would think that in the spirit of "ever-closer union" that one of the first things they would do is harmonize the welfare systems of all the countries in the Union, but of course that would affect those businesses that do not want to pay a decent wage or have decent conditions when they can import cheap and vulnerable labour from outside.

Haha, great point but then all those that didn't want a job would just go and live in Greece or Spain.......