minor things that make you fume

I am not in a union. I am self employed. But for instance; my stepfather works in a bank (Allianz Brussels) and he's the union representative for his department for the ACLVB (the liberal union). Same for my father; employee of Proximus (state owned telecommunications company), he's the union representative for the ACV.

They are in the constitution and such around here, Belgium.

Don't they have something similar in the UK?
 

Sy- said:
Yeah, this all over. Your boss won't thank you for it either as it reflects badly on them too and nobody wants to be in and out of HR.

@Ashtonian Agree you need to get out mate, nothing wrong with a side-ways step to get out of a miserable situation. Be very aware you can easily (without knowing it) bring a negative vibe from a bad job with you to interviews, just remember to be positive before you go in!

You also need to make sure you aren't, to some extent, contributing to your own problems though: Moving forward you should probably stop raising issues with anyone, ever, no matter how in the right you are otherwise any manager is going to notice a correlation between issues on the team and your name popping up every time!

When people have been difficult with me in the past with regards to training etc, I just go around them and/or work stuff out for myself to spite them, watch that sudden sinking feeling when they realize you don't need them, despite them not wanting to help you in the first place.
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Well yeah, i didn't cause issues when i started, i trained myself instead (some feat considering the job is impossible when you don't know what you are doing!) and since then i have kept myself to myself somewhat. I have raised issues within the team with my team leader and supervisor but nothing ever came of it sadly.

the thing is, and this is a big one. The reason why the team was stripped away over the years, and held back from being what it should be was because of one thing, the bosses son. he was in the team and they hung him out to drym largely like they did with me. So since then the boss has secretly held a bit of contempt toward them so where everyone else management wise lets them get on with it as they have been doing it for years, the boss themself would love an oppertunity to get back at them, which for all intents and purposes they have done now given how the future holds for us all.

It is like going back a few years ago and i had an issue with bullying with someone else. I didn't name names and the manager i spoke to knew who i was on about, and would have loved me to go down the official routes so they could pull them up on it.

but yeah, i get where you all are coming from and in one sense i would be making a mistake going down the route, i can see the knock on effects from here already! but at the same time i know i will be leaving the department at some point in the future and not look back again so if nothing else i can actually do something now rather than just sit on my hands like everyone else does. Rather take the flack from here and learn from it than sit here, take getting spoke to like that in front of people and look like a tit. He will be told about it so not like i'm doing it in secret.
 
Armel said:
How you describe it now. It sounds a bit like bullying. If you've already raised the issue to your superiors and they remain useless, just go to your union representative. Normally they'll assist you if it comes to legal proceedings. Because failing to do something is an error.

If the union representative is useless; around here you can then go the ministry of work. And if that doesn't work, directly to the prosecutor for labour law. Or a mediator.
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It is, 100% bullying. Or passive bullying, if i told you every little detail you would see what i mean by that.

and as long as they do their job well no-one cares, no matter how much you try to tell them. So yeah, rather a unique position in all honesty i am in because i don't hate my job, nor do i hate much else but just the situation i am in with my team.

Leaving will be an option from next year certainly, just would prefer to go out actually knowing i done something rather than do nothing and let him do it to the next person who gets my job.
 
Armel said:
I am not in a union. I am self employed. But for instance; my stepfather works in a bank (Allianz Brussels) and he's the union representative for his department for the ACLVB (the liberal union). Same for my father; employee of Proximus (state owned telecommunications company), he's the union representative for the ACV.

They are in the constitution and such around here, Belgium.

Don't they have something similar in the UK?
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I've never had a conversation about union membership with anyone in my 15 years in this industry. If it exists, no-one told me!
 


The Cowboy said:
I've never had a conversation about union membership with anyone in my 15 years in this industry. If it exists, no-one told me!
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I did a quick google:

"Find a union to join
If there’s a union at work, you can ask the trade union representative (‘rep’) about joining. Their contact details may be in your company handbook, intranet site or on the union noticeboard.

The union rep will tell you if you’re eligible to join and give you a membership form to fill in."

and "You can also use the TUC’s interactive tool to help you find a trade union in your workplace, or one which covers your type of job."

Using the tool it looks like there are unions in your sector; for instance Accord which represents the union for employees in financial services with members in the Lloyds Banking Group, TSB, Equitable Life and Sainsbury’s Bank.
 
Armel said:
I did a quick google:

"Find a union to join
If there’s a union at work, you can ask the trade union representative (‘rep’) about joining. Their contact details may be in your company handbook, intranet site or on the union noticeboard.

The union rep will tell you if you’re eligible to join and give you a membership form to fill in."

and "You can also use the TUC’s interactive tool to help you find a trade union in your workplace, or one which covers your type of job."

Using the tool it looks like there are unions in your sector; for instance Accord which represents the union for employees in financial services with members in the Lloyds Banking Group, TSB, Equitable Life and Sainsbury’s Bank.
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Interesting, never really thought there was much need for one in this industry . I've no desire or intention to join a union, tbh.
 

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