minor things that make you fume

[The Cowboy]

Believe me i have tried in the past and will try again very soon. Can't add the stress of job hunting over the next 6 weeks haha

But yeah pretty much, have even raised this a number of times with team leader and supervisor and it has got nowhere. In fact the last time i was told 'it seemed i was just trying to cause trouble' as they were saying things about me, which if they were, i'd love to know what i do wrong haha

they aren't below me, they are the same job as me. Which makes it worse tbh, especially the way it blew up the way it did today.

I do weant to leave though, genuinely do, and after i get the next 2 months out the way i am planning on grabbing a new job, planning on taking a sideways step if need be just to get out the department i am in. Just gets me that nothing is done, and what i know the reaction will end up being after he finds out about the greviance.

I had an informal grievance raised against me when I was a naive 19 year old. I genuinely had no idea I'd offended anyone but it was clear who raised it. I made sure to change my ways to ensure it never happened again, but there was still a natural tension between the two of us after that.

Your situation is many times amplified. I would expect your relationship with this person would deteriorate significantly if you raise a grievance.

You may feel compelled to do so, but it's a deeply bad idea to raise it.

 

[AdamEFC]

Believe me i have tried in the past and will try again very soon. Can't add the stress of job hunting over the next 6 weeks haha

But yeah pretty much, have even raised this a number of times with team leader and supervisor and it has got nowhere. In fact the last time i was told 'it seemed i was just trying to cause trouble' as they were saying things about me, which if they were, i'd love to know what i do wrong haha

they aren't below me, they are the same job as me. Which makes it worse tbh, especially the way it blew up the way it did today.

I do weant to leave though, genuinely do, and after i get the next 2 months out the way i am planning on grabbing a new job, planning on taking a sideways step if need be just to get out the department i am in. Just gets me that nothing is done, and what i know the reaction will end up being after he finds out about the greviance.

Grass

 

[Ashtonian]

I had an informal grievance raised against me when I was a naive 19 year old. I genuinely had no idea I'd offended anyone but it was clear who raised it. I made sure to change my ways to ensure it never happened again, but there was still a natural tension between the two of us after that.

Your situation is many times amplified. I would expect your relationship with this person would deteriorate significantly if you raise a grievance.

You may feel compelled to do so, but it's a deeply bad idea to raise it.

It will deteiroate the relationship with two of them which is the rest of the team lol even now the other has not said a word to me since it happened. If one has any sort of an issue with me the other follows suit.

BUT

I don;t like doing it but this is literally the only way anyone will do anything. and hopefully depending on the process, i get a chance to call everyone else bang to rights as to why they did not do anything for so long in terms of supporting me. but no idea how the process works either way.

And pretty much if i put the grevance in, then it burns bridges with my teammates, ok fair enough. Except if i don't, it will happen again, and again and nothing will change and if getting a new job doesn't happen straight away then it will just keep happening. no matter how peed off i get or angry, he won't get the message. Least this way if i do go out then i go out actually making an issue of it which the management can't ignore.

 

[The Cowboy]

It will deteiroate the relationship with two of them which is the rest of the team lol even now the other has not said a word to me since it happened. If one has any sort of an issue with me the other follows suit.

BUT

I don;t like doing it but this is literally the only way anyone will do anything. and hopefully depending on the process, i get a chance to call everyone else bang to rights as to why they did not do anything for so long in terms of supporting me. but no idea how the process works either way.

And pretty much if i put the grevance in, then it burns bridges with my teammates, ok fair enough. Except if i don't, it will happen again, and again and nothing will change and if getting a new job doesn't happen straight away then it will just keep happening. no matter how peed off i get or angry, he won't get the message. Least this way if i do go out then i go out actually making an issue of it which the management can't ignore.

You're assuming management will take your side on this matter. Which you don't appear to have a great track record with.

 

[Moomin]

It will deteiroate the relationship with two of them which is the rest of the team lol even now the other has not said a word to me since it happened. If one has any sort of an issue with me the other follows suit.

BUT

I don;t like doing it but this is literally the only way anyone will do anything. and hopefully depending on the process, i get a chance to call everyone else bang to rights as to why they did not do anything for so long in terms of supporting me. but no idea how the process works either way.

And pretty much if i put the grevance in, then it burns bridges with my teammates, ok fair enough. Except if i don't, it will happen again, and again and nothing will change and if getting a new job doesn't happen straight away then it will just keep happening. no matter how peed off i get or angry, he won't get the message. Least this way if i do go out then i go out actually making an issue of it which the management can't ignore.

Are you inviting them to your wedding??

 

[Ashtonian]

You're assuming management will take your side on this matter. Which you don't appear to have a great track record with.

They have no choice in the matter right now. They can pick sides all they want, doesn't change the fact it goes above them to HR and as it is an ongoing thing they will ask why it was dealt with previously

Grass

i am . hate doing it but sometimes its either do nothing or do something.

 

[AdamEFC]

They have no choice in the matter right now. They can pick sides all they want, doesn't change the fact it goes above them to HR and as it is an ongoing thing they will ask why it was dealt with previously

i am . hate doing it but sometimes its either do nothing or do something.

No wonder you don't get on with your colleagues if you just grass them up.

 

[Ashtonian]

Are you inviting them to your wedding??

Haha no. Only invited one person from work who I get along with more than the rest. Other than that nope.

 

[Ashtonian]

No wonder you don't get on with your colleagues if you just grass them up.

Haha I wish I did. Bloody goldmine this place.

This is the first and only time I have done it.

 

[Armel]

It will deteiroate the relationship with two of them which is the rest of the team lol even now the other has not said a word to me since it happened. If one has any sort of an issue with me the other follows suit.

BUT

I don;t like doing it but this is literally the only way anyone will do anything. and hopefully depending on the process, i get a chance to call everyone else bang to rights as to why they did not do anything for so long in terms of supporting me. but no idea how the process works either way.

And pretty much if i put the grevance in, then it burns bridges with my teammates, ok fair enough. Except if i don't, it will happen again, and again and nothing will change and if getting a new job doesn't happen straight away then it will just keep happening. no matter how peed off i get or angry, he won't get the message. Least this way if i do go out then i go out actually making an issue of it which the management can't ignore.

How you describe it now. It sounds a bit like bullying. If you've already raised the issue to your superiors and they remain useless, just go to your union representative. Normally they'll assist you if it comes to legal proceedings. Because failing to do something is an error.

If the union representative is useless; around here you can then go the ministry of work. And if that doesn't work, directly to the prosecutor for labour law. Or a mediator.

 

[Sy-]

I would expect your relationship with this person would deteriorate significantly if you raise a grievance.

You may feel compelled to do so, but it's a deeply bad idea to raise it.

Yeah, this all over. Your boss won't thank you for it either as it reflects badly on them too and nobody wants to be in and out of HR.

@Ashtonian Agree you need to get out mate, nothing wrong with a side-ways step to get out of a miserable situation. Be very aware you can easily (without knowing it) bring a negative vibe from a bad job with you to interviews, just remember to be positive before you go in!

You also need to make sure you aren't, to some extent, contributing to your own problems though: Moving forward you should probably stop raising issues with anyone, ever, no matter how in the right you are otherwise any manager is going to notice a correlation between issues on the team and your name popping up every time!

When people have been difficult with me in the past with regards to training etc, I just go around them and/or work stuff out for myself to spite them, watch that sudden sinking feeling when they realize you don't need them, despite them not wanting to help you in the first place.

 

[The Cowboy]

How you describe it now. It sounds a bit like bullying. If you've already raised the issue to your superiors and they remain useless, just go to your union representative. Normally they'll assist you if it comes to legal proceedings. Because failing to do something is an error.

If the union representative is useless; around here you can then go the ministry of work. And if that doesn't work, directly to the prosecutor for labour law. Or a mediator.

Union representative? Be interested to know how many on here are part of a union. Nothing like that in my place.

 

[Sy-]

You're assuming management will take your side on this matter. Which you don't appear to have a great track record with.

Don't formal things like this show up in references? absolutely no good will come of this kind of thing. Even if you win, expect to be "managed out" in the near future.

 

[Armel]

Union representative? Be interested to know how many on here are part of a union. Nothing like that in my place.

Really? Around here everybody is. You would be kind of stupid not to. Your membership fee can be deducted from your taxes. Every company, which has a certain amount of employees needs to have social elections in a certain period. This delivers representative employees for your sector, your company etc. People who are elected, are almost impossible to fire and such. So it's quite a handy position. Even participating in the elections makes sure you can't be fired for the next six months or so (forgot the periods-it's long though).

They deliver very good work though.

 

[The Cowboy]

Really? Around here everybody is. You would be kind of stupid not to. Your membership fee can be deducted from your taxes. Every company, which has a certain amount of employees needs to have social elections in a certain period. This delivers representative employees for your sector, your company etc. People who are elected, are almost impossible to fire and such. So it's quite a handy position. Even participating in the elections makes sure you can't be fired for the next six months or so (forgot the periods-it's long though).

They deliver very good work though.

What line of business are you in, may I ask? I'm in financial services down in London and I'm pretty certain unions don't exist in this industry. I always assumed they were just for public sector, tbh.