2020/21 Moise Kean

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Kever10 said:
Who said anything about rather?

If we are talking about preferences though, I'd rather he went and played elsewhere and maintained/improved his value if he wasn't going to contribute here, yes.

Like I said, he clearly has some ability, and he was a gamble worth taking, but not every signing works out. Can you name 1 team that has never bought a player based on either reputation or expectation that hasn't worked out as planned?

Having money to spend is no guarantee of success, you are correct. But it certainly helps. And if you can tell me 1 actual, definitive, tangible guarantee of success in its place, I'd be interested to hear it.
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Not every signing works out is a fair defence of something like Moyes' signing of Bilyaletdinov. It didn't work out, but there was more than enough evidence to say that it wasn't a reflection of Moyes' ability to identify the right players. You could see what had made us buy him, and Moyes had a good record of signing players, but that particular one fell flat. This is a slightly different situation, because quite a few of Brands' signings haven't worked out, he's probably not even 50/50 in terms of successes. I also think it was really clear within 2/3 viewings of Kean that he just wasn't what we needed. He didn't fit into the team at all, he didn't have any of the characteristics that we needed from a striker in our set up. That worries me.
 
For me I hoped he stayed because he will have gotten more game time but I think next season we could potentially lose Richarlison if we don't qualify for Europe or Win something and he would be ideal as a replacement.
 
mccole said:
For me I hoped he stayed because he will have gotten more game time but I think next season we could potentially lose Richarlison if we don't qualify for Europe or Win something and he would be ideal as a replacement.
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I'm sure the £100mill we'd get we'd find someone half decent.
 
Zatara said:
Thats what he is, a finisher.

Take our last game against Leeds, give him one or two of the chances which we missed...he scores.

I think Ancelotti (and others) have tried to play him in a similar role to DCL. Maybe to develop him...but for me hes a player to put alongside DCL and feed off the knock downs and hold up play.

Kean will score lots of goals as long as he stays around the box.
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So would Tosun.
 

Papa Shango said:
I find the sheer glee that some people are taking in trying to make out that Kean is rubbish whilst he is doing well to be quite weird.

He is still our player like.
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I don't think it's that. It's just being realistic and making a fair assessment. I've not seen anything particularly special about him to either want him to stay or go

The only way he develops is if he plays games. He won't do that here. He's not at the level as DCL. So apart from injury, he's only ever going to play the odd cup game or 20mims here or there.

Loan move is great for him, epecially at a good level. Then it's down to him to make an impact and develop to a point where he can fight for a starting place here.

However, with his agent and the club's he's played (Juve and PSG) I think he'll feel Everton is beneath him and will want a move away. It'll be harder for him to make an impact here than in Italy and France, so he'll want to move on.
 

Papa Shango said:
I find the sheer glee that some people are taking in trying to make out that Kean is rubbish whilst he is doing well to be quite weird.

He is still our player like.
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Bingo. Imagine we never heard of the lad and found out we are in for a PSG kid in January smashing them in the league and champions league. They’d all be gidy.
 
Lanolin said:
Not every signing works out is a fair defence of something like Moyes' signing of Bilyaletdinov. It didn't work out, but there was more than enough evidence to say that it wasn't a reflection of Moyes' ability to identify the right players. You could see what had made us buy him, and Moyes had a good record of signing players, but that particular one fell flat. This is a slightly different situation, because quite a few of Brands' signings haven't worked out, he's probably not even 50/50 in terms of successes. I also think it was really clear within 2/3 viewings of Kean that he just wasn't what we needed. He didn't fit into the team at all, he didn't have any of the characteristics that we needed from a striker in our set up. That worries me.
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So you think Bilyaletdinov wasn't really Moyes fault, but you're happy to say Kean, a young up coming star from Juventus, is a clear and obvious failure by Brands?

Right OK.

You say he didn't have the characteristics of what we needed in our set up. He looked like he was going to be a goalscorer, at a point when we needed a goalscorer, and prior to DCL becoming anything like the prolific scorer he is now. He was all work rate, and wasn't even always 1st choice. He didn't even get off the bench in a Home defeat to newly promoted Sheff Utd, his boyhood club no less, just in case he needed an incentive to turn up.

And tbf, Richarlison was similar. Yes he scored a decent amount of goals for an attacking midfielder, but not really enough for a leading striker, and when he was up top, we missed what he brought out wide and deep.

So, Brands/Silva took a chance on a young, exciting, striker with goalscoring potential to finish some of the chances we created but spurned. It didn't work out as planned, because Silva left us wide open in the middle and insisted on finding a place for Gylfi the Ghost and refused to move away from his blurry vision of 433 and its many tweeked iterations.

It also didn't work because 3 months later, having barely used the new signing, the manager was gone, and we had 2 new managers with 2 very different styles in short succession, as we fought to not get dragged into what looked like an inevitable relegation scrap.

The lad is still only 20 years old, and he hasn't yet worked as we would have hoped, for a multitude of reasons. To criticise the signing as not being the correct profile is all well and good in hindsight.

But to dismiss it as dismissively as you have, and then qualify that by comparing it to Bilyaletdinov, as an example of an actual chance worth taking that didn't quite work out, is laughable. And I was someone who defended Bily as well.
 
Kever10 said:
So you think Bilyaletdinov wasn't really Moyes fault, but you're happy to say Kean, a young up coming star from Juventus, is a clear and obvious failure by Brands?

Right OK.

You say he didn't have the characteristics of what we needed in our set up. He looked like he was going to be a goalscorer, at a point when we needed a goalscorer, and prior to DCL becoming anything like the prolific scorer he is now. He was all work rate, and wasn't even always 1st choice. He didn't even get off the bench in a Home defeat to newly promoted Sheff Utd, his boyhood club no less, just in case he needed an incentive to turn up.

And tbf, Richarlison was similar. Yes he scored a decent amount of goals for an attacking midfielder, but not really enough for a leading striker, and when he was up top, we missed what he brought out wide and deep.

So, Brands/Silva took a chance on a young, exciting, striker with goalscoring potential to finish some of the chances we created but spurned. It didn't work out as planned, because Silva left us wide open in the middle and insisted on finding a place for Gylfi the Ghost and refused to move away from his blurry vision of 433 and its many tweeked iterations.

It also didn't work because 3 months later, having barely used the new signing, the manager was gone, and we had 2 new managers with 2 very different styles in short succession, as we fought to not get dragged into what looked like an inevitable relegation scrap.

The lad is still only 20 years old, and he hasn't yet worked as we would have hoped, for a multitude of reasons. To criticise the signing as not being the correct profile is all well and good in hindsight.

But to dismiss it as dismissively as you have, and then qualify that by comparing it to Bilyaletdinov, as an example of an actual chance worth taking that didn't quite work out, is laughable. And I was someone who defended Bily as well.
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What a complete waste of time that was. A massive post in reply to something I really wasn't saying. Maybe read it again and come back to me. Don't worry about the apology, we all make mistakes.
 
Lanolin said:
What a complete waste of time that was. A massive post in reply to something I really wasn't saying. Maybe read it again and come back to me. Don't worry about the apology, we all make mistakes.
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Mate, you are an absolute troll.

The fact you would even suggest that you would expect an apology only further proves it.
 

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