2020/21 Moise Kean

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Not a clue what planet you’re on mate but fair enough. I know admitting you’ve made an idiot of yourself can be difficult, I’ve done it myself enough times.

I'm glad you've admitted you're an idiot in the past.

Shame you couldn't do it again here and just take the loss.

Maybe you should read the posts back and just not reply when you realise you are wrong.

Have a good day fella.
 
I'm glad you've admitted you're an idiot in the past.

Shame you couldn't do it again here and just take the loss.

Maybe you should read the posts back and just not reply when you realise you are wrong.

Have a good day fella.
Calm down mate you’ll give yourself a coronary. You’ve just misread/misunderstood my post, it’s fine. I was being a bit sarky with the apology thing but I wasn’t being serious!

I wasn’t saying Moyes wasn’t to blame for bilyaletdinov. At all. So seeing as your whole reply was based around that premise, it was a waste of time, as I said. The point was that ‘they don’t all work out’ is fine when most of them do work out, but doesn’t really work when there are as many failures as there are successes.

Silva’s system needed a target man in it, he knew that and it was obvious to anyone who watched us. It required a physical presence who brought others into the game. It was very clear very early that kean couldn’t do what Silva needed from him. He’s clearly a very good penalty box striker but that isn’t what we needed (hence him not being picked).
 

Calm down mate you’ll give yourself a coronary. You’ve just misread/misunderstood my post, it’s fine. I was being a bit sarky with the apology thing but I wasn’t being serious!

I wasn’t saying Moyes wasn’t to blame for bilyaletdinov. At all. So seeing as your whole reply was based around that premise, it was a waste of time, as I said. The point was that ‘they don’t all work out’ is fine when most of them do work out, but doesn’t really work when there are as many failures as there are successes.

Silva’s system needed a target man in it, he knew that and it was obvious to anyone who watched us. It required a physical presence who brought others into the game. It was very clear very early that kean couldn’t do what Silva needed from him. He’s clearly a very good penalty box striker but that isn’t what we needed (hence him not being picked).
Isn't this what DCL already is, though? hence why we went for a different profile in Kean.
 
Useless player. Typical Kean last night for PSG. I watched in the hope he would prove me wrong but nope. He's one thick footballer him. Got nothing about him.

Delighted psg have been fooled though which means we will recoup any losses on him.
 
I find the sheer glee that some people are taking in trying to make out that Kean is rubbish whilst he is doing well to be quite weird.

He is still our player like.

This.

We've got some weird, weird fans mate.. buzzing when our own young striker out on loan doesn't score a goal and can't wait to call him fit to burn for it o_O odd behavior.
They’re the sort of people who read the Daily Mail smearing Rashford and nod in agreement.
 
Isn't this what DCL already is, though? hence why we went for a different profile in Kean.
I think the last 12 months has shown that DCL can actually be a similar profile, so no. He has shown that he can be a penalty box striker himself, but he also has more to his game. The reports were that Silva wanted somebody like Mandzukic. Whether we liked the way he set up or not, it seemed pretty clear that Silva wanted a front 3 where the central player was a hard working target man type, and was flanked by fast and direct wide players like Richarlison and Zaha. I don't think either Kean or Iwobi actually fit the profile he wanted, so they were pretty odd signings. I said these things early last season, and the way things panned only reinforce that belief. People said all last year 'he needs through balls', 'why are we playing him with his back to goal' but we quite clearly don't play through balls, and we do ask our striker to play with his back to goal. I don't think i'm really being particularly controversial then, in saying he didn't really have the skillset we needed.
 

He has the ability and knack to score goals, you can't really teach that, game intelligence however comes with age and experience. there are not many 19/20 year old strikers who are the full package. The ones that are up there are you phenoms, Mbappe and Haaland, possibly Greenwood if he sorts his attitude out.

He's got less than one full season of games behind him and is learning on the job after wasting a season sat on his arse. Some of you really need to learn about patience and player development because keeping on expecting these kids to be world class enough to carry the team, you're going to be disappointed.

However when it comes to Kean, the Juve coaches, Italian coaches and now PSG coaches can't all be wrong ?or you have Everton who aren't brave enough to give game time to up and coming talent
 
Not every signing works out is a fair defence of something like Moyes' signing of Bilyaletdinov. It didn't work out, but there was more than enough evidence to say that it wasn't a reflection of Moyes' ability to identify the right players. You could see what had made us buy him, and Moyes had a good record of signing players, but that particular one fell flat. This is a slightly different situation, because quite a few of Brands' signings haven't worked out, he's probably not even 50/50 in terms of successes. I also think it was really clear within 2/3 viewings of Kean that he just wasn't what we needed. He didn't fit into the team at all, he didn't have any of the characteristics that we needed from a striker in our set up. That worries me.
I'm genuinely asking: what is our set up? Do we really have a way of playing that is so defined that we should be recruiting players with specific traits to fit into it? I think the answer is no which is a problem in its own right.
 
I'm genuinely asking: what is our set up? Do we really have a way of playing that is so defined that we should be recruiting players with specific traits to fit into it? I think the answer is no which is a problem in its own right.
That’s certainly a fair point. I think in this case it’s probably more to do with what our style of play isn’t. Kean appears to be the type of striker who comes alive in the box, and relies on people teeing him up. From what I’ve seen his all round game isn’t great but he’s got good movement in the box and can finish. We have very little creativity in the team, our midfielders can’t pick out strikers with good through balls, we rely on getting wide and putting crosses in and our front players have to work hard chasing balls and being a nuisance because we can’t keep hold of the ball and dictate games. Silva was only ever going to play one up front and kean just wasn’t cut out to do that job. As I’ve said, you can say we shouldn’t have hired silva, you can say we should have sacked him after the first year to bring in a different style, but what you can’t really say is that kean suited the way the manager he was bought for wanted to play. It was painfully obvious from his first couple of appearances.
 
He's 20 years old.

Feck me.. when are we ever going to give young footballers a proper chance?? some people genuinely expected this kid to be the finished article when he arrived didn't they.. :confused:

The problem is that we paid a finished-article price, so the expectations were enormous.

Granted, we were plenty hard on DCL when we didn't pay that kind of price, but I don't think anyone expected an immediate contribution years ago, either.
 

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