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2018/19 Morgan Schneiderlin

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Don't agree sorry. The statistical comparison sees Schneiderlin having the better game as well as most people's perceptions. He fared better than Davies on interceptions, clearances, aerial duels won, free kicks won, number of passes made, passing accuracy, number of times dispossessed and number of long passes completed. He was equal on bad touches, tackles made and key passes.

Schneiderlin is not, and never has been, a world beater. What he is, is a relatively good player who keeps the ball moving, is comfortable in possession and makes a few tackles. His performances this season are pretty much what you will get from him, he's been by no means bad, but you'd like to think he'll be replaced as a starter sooner rather than later if we're serious about improving.
Spot on. I think he's been decent this season.
The issue is though, we desperately needed a LW, we desperately needed a couple of CBs, we desperately needed a LB.

We got all of those. Next, you'd hope is CM.

But to say he's not been improved this season I find baffling. And I as a fan appreciate the interview he's done with Joyce. I have absolutely nothing to suggest he isn't telling the truth. I doubt anyone on GOT or the vast majority of the fanbase do either. So to me, we should get behind him provided he continues to show some worth.

If he falls off into the form of despair a la last season then i'll be at the front of the queue calling for his head because that was worse than unacceptable.
 
Spot on. I think he's been decent this season.
The issue is though, we desperately needed a LW, we desperately needed a couple of CBs, we desperately needed a LB.

We got all of those. Next, you'd hope is CM.

But to say he's not been improved this season I find baffling. And I as a fan appreciate the interview he's done with Joyce. I have absolutely nothing to suggest he isn't telling the truth. I doubt anyone on GOT or the vast majority of the fanbase do either. So to me, we should get behind him provided he continues to show some worth.

If he falls off into the form of despair a la last season then i'll be at the front of the queue calling for his head because that was worse than unacceptable.
Yeah I know we both agreed very early on last season that he was a problem in that midfield - long before the fall out and everything that came with it. This season has been totally different though, realistically speaking i'm not sure we can ask him to do much more than he has so far.

Also agree on the interview thing, he's got every right to put his side of the story across, and the fact that managers and coaches don't appear to have had a problem with him since suggests that there's at least some truth in what he says.
 
if hes playing better and trying to clear the air with the fans then not much more we can expect from him

come on then morgs, we are not that hard to get back on side if you work (unless you really s**t on us like, koff ross etc haha)
 
Don't agree sorry. The statistical comparison sees Schneiderlin having the better game as well as most people's perceptions. He fared better than Davies on interceptions, clearances, aerial duels won, free kicks won, number of passes made, passing accuracy, number of times dispossessed and number of long passes completed. He was equal on bad touches, tackles made and key passes.

Schneiderlin is not, and never has been, a world beater. What he is, is a relatively good player who keeps the ball moving, is comfortable in possession and makes a few tackles. His performances this season are pretty much what you will get from him, he's been by no means bad, but you'd like to think he'll be replaced as a starter sooner rather than later if we're serious about improving.
I don't take a lot of notice to stats to be honest, I think it is a lot better to use the judgement of your own eyes,
 

Good Joyce article on Morgs:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...nd-do-care-says-morgan-schneiderlin-jc9dlfgdw

I’ll show fans that I’m not lazy and do care, says Morgan Schneiderlin
The Everton midfielder says the criticism he received after missing a game has eaten away at him, writes Paul Joyce

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The chorus of boos erupted as soon as Morgan Schneiderlin stepped on to the touchline at Goodison Park and, as he winced at the crescendo of catcalls, he knew that he had a choice to make. The midfielder was about to be introduced ten minutes from time to shore up Everton’s 3-1 victory over Crystal Palace in February last season and, while some later insisted that the acerbic soundtrack which had accompanied the raising of his number was born more of frustration at Sam Allardyce’s overcautious outlook, Schneiderlin always sensed that the issue ran deeper.

“I knew straight away,” he said. “I knew it was for me because of some notifications [on Twitter]. I am not paying too much attention to that, but I got messages saying, ‘You have a bad attitude’, ‘You are not fit to wear the shirt.’

“So I knew there were some people who were not happy. I am a human being and for any human being to have people turn against you is not good.

“But I had two ways to see it. I stay strong or I say, ‘Ok, f*** that. I am just going to come into training, work for myself but I don’t care anymore. I don’t play anymore until the end of the season and then I go.’

“That might have been the easier way. But the motivation for myself was to turn the minds of people. That people regret what they said and they have a different perception of me. That is what I want to do.”

A month into the new campaign and that task continues. Schneiderlin finds himself a trusted figure for the new Everton manager Marco Silva and is looking forward with enthusiasm to what the coming months can bring a club that is seeking stability after too much tumult. Firstly, however, he is prepared to look back to that sobering afternoon against Palace and the events that prompted the caustic outpouring from the stands. The trigger for some supporters had come in November when, three days after being sent off against Lyons during a disastrous Europa League campaign, Schneiderlin was overlooked for the home game with Watford by David Unsworth, the interim manager.

He trained with a small group of other players and a story subsequently emerged that Schneiderlin and Kevin Mirallas had walked off the training ground after being told by Duncan Ferguson, the first-team coach, that they should go inside if they were not going to apply themselves.

Schneiderlin disputed that version at the time on social media, but the mud stuck. Tensions built.

He has never spoken properly about that day — and says that this is the only time that he will do so in order to finally move on — and so, for the next three minutes, he barely pauses in outlining his version of events.

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Schneiderlin believes that he can thrive under Silva’s tutelageReuters/Peter Powell
“The sending off was totally my fault. It was a stupid red card,” he said. “When we got drawn against Lyons, I thought it was a good way for me to show myself for the France national team and it didn’t happen. We got battered 3-0. I was frustrated. My mistake.

“On the Saturday [the day] before Watford, we did a warm-up of five minutes and David said his squad. I didn’t hear my name.

“There were four or five of us and he said, ‘You are going to train on the other side of the training ground.’ I had played 80 minutes against Lyons — I had run, I was not walking — and Duncan said, ‘I am going to put you as the man in the middle. You are tired. Don’t worry. I know it is frustrating.’

“As you can understand, the tempo was not crazy because everyone was a bit sad and maybe I didn’t touch the ball because it was two v two.

“Duncan said to me, ‘Morgan, I understand you are tired, you played two days ago. There is no problem, if you want to rest and go inside, you can rest and go inside.’ I said, ‘Thank you’ and I went inside.

“I was not happy, of course. But I was just like maybe 99.9 per cent of the guys are when they are not in the squad and they have to train away from the first team.

“When the story came out [after Watford], I spoke with David. He said, ‘Morgan, no problem.’ We spoke honestly. I said sorry for my red card, because that is the only thing I could say sorry about. We looked to turn things around and I started the next game.

“Maybe people wanted to see me because we had bad results and they had to find someone to pick and to say, ‘His fault, his fault, his fault.’ That is the life of a football player.”

It was the insinuation that he did not care that nagged away. Schneiderlin had not played well in the first half of the season — no one did — when Everton had no striker after selling but not replacing Romelu Lukaku, Ronald Koeman was sacked, Unsworth filled the breach and eventually Allardyce was appointed to stave off the faint threat of relegation.

Perhaps, after making such a good impression when signing from Manchester United in January 2017 for £20 million, the scrutiny fell on him because the fluctuation in form felt so confusing. On the drive home after the Palace game, Schneiderlin sat seething at the wheel. It was his wife, Camille, who helped to fuel the fightback.

“My wife is very supportive of me,” Schneiderlin said. “She said: ‘You have to show them who you are.’ Maybe it was a time to look at myself in the mirror and say, ‘Why? Why did this happen?’

“As well as my wife, I had a long chat with my best friends, my parents, my agent. They are not the type of guys who say, ‘Oh Morgan, you are the most beautiful. Oh Morgan, you are the best.’ They say [honest] things to me. I agreed with them. I didn’t have the best season.

“It eats me like crazy because the most frustrating thing is that image is not myself. I am an honest guy who works very, very hard. I can have a bad game, or a bad performance, but putting that on me that I don’t give a [Poor language removed], I don’t care — that is not who I am.”

The undercurrent at Goodison Park often simmers, yet Schneiderlin believes that he can thrive under Silva’s tutelage as he contemplates making good his rehabilitation. The Portuguese made keeping the player a priority when he was appointed Everton manager and a week into pre-season they spoke face-to-face candidly.

Silva outlined a fresh start, one in which he would be demanding of the player, and then Schneiderlin bared his soul. “I knew I had to work twice, maybe three times as hard as anyone else because I knew some people and some fans would see me in a different way,” he continued.

“That is what I said to the manager. I said I was prepared to do that and that was what I have done.

“He is challenging the players and training is great. The feeling is that, if an opponent has the ball, you don’t wait for them to come, you have to press them. Then, when we have the ball, we have to be clever.

“He always tells me about the second phase. If I make a pass, I have to understand where my position needs to be after that pass. The second step. Don’t just think about the pass.

“I know what I have to do when I have the ball and I know what I have to do when I don’t have the ball. It is a clear message and you can only improve like this.

“He [Silva] doesn’t say, ‘You have to do it.’ If you feel that is the moment to do it, do it. He gives you a line to follow and then, after, it is your instinct.”

It was Schneiderlin’s instinct that told him not to give up. There may be bumps in the road, but he is adamant that his commitment will not waver.

Fantastic article.

Nice to see he's trying to apply himself and is hungry to succeed. Needs a quality CM (not Davies) alongside him to fully flourish.
 
He's naive if he thinks the only reason for fans being on his back is that training ground incident.

There were some absolutely unforgivable showings from him last season - the away game at Arsenal being a prime example

I'd be lying if I said I couldn't see an improvement from him, but he has a long way to go before many blues will be willing to forgive and forget
 
Yes I agree. My point was that most people's eyes told them Schneiderlin had a better game, but the poster felt Davies had outperformed him. I was just pointing out that stats backed up what most people saw with their own eyes.
Yes fair enough, I didn't think Tom Davies had a great game, but he gives his all and because of his age I tend not to be too critical of him, whereas Schneiderlin plays within himself all the time.
 
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Good Joyce article on Morgs:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...nd-do-care-says-morgan-schneiderlin-jc9dlfgdw

I’ll show fans that I’m not lazy and do care, says Morgan Schneiderlin
The Everton midfielder says the criticism he received after missing a game has eaten away at him, writes Paul Joyce

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The chorus of boos erupted as soon as Morgan Schneiderlin stepped on to the touchline at Goodison Park and, as he winced at the crescendo of catcalls, he knew that he had a choice to make. The midfielder was about to be introduced ten minutes from time to shore up Everton’s 3-1 victory over Crystal Palace in February last season and, while some later insisted that the acerbic soundtrack which had accompanied the raising of his number was born more of frustration at Sam Allardyce’s overcautious outlook, Schneiderlin always sensed that the issue ran deeper.

“I knew straight away,” he said. “I knew it was for me because of some notifications [on Twitter]. I am not paying too much attention to that, but I got messages saying, ‘You have a bad attitude’, ‘You are not fit to wear the shirt.’

“So I knew there were some people who were not happy. I am a human being and for any human being to have people turn against you is not good.

“But I had two ways to see it. I stay strong or I say, ‘Ok, f*** that. I am just going to come into training, work for myself but I don’t care anymore. I don’t play anymore until the end of the season and then I go.’

“That might have been the easier way. But the motivation for myself was to turn the minds of people. That people regret what they said and they have a different perception of me. That is what I want to do.”

A month into the new campaign and that task continues. Schneiderlin finds himself a trusted figure for the new Everton manager Marco Silva and is looking forward with enthusiasm to what the coming months can bring a club that is seeking stability after too much tumult. Firstly, however, he is prepared to look back to that sobering afternoon against Palace and the events that prompted the caustic outpouring from the stands. The trigger for some supporters had come in November when, three days after being sent off against Lyons during a disastrous Europa League campaign, Schneiderlin was overlooked for the home game with Watford by David Unsworth, the interim manager.

He trained with a small group of other players and a story subsequently emerged that Schneiderlin and Kevin Mirallas had walked off the training ground after being told by Duncan Ferguson, the first-team coach, that they should go inside if they were not going to apply themselves.

Schneiderlin disputed that version at the time on social media, but the mud stuck. Tensions built.

He has never spoken properly about that day — and says that this is the only time that he will do so in order to finally move on — and so, for the next three minutes, he barely pauses in outlining his version of events.

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Schneiderlin believes that he can thrive under Silva’s tutelageReuters/Peter Powell
“The sending off was totally my fault. It was a stupid red card,” he said. “When we got drawn against Lyons, I thought it was a good way for me to show myself for the France national team and it didn’t happen. We got battered 3-0. I was frustrated. My mistake.

“On the Saturday [the day] before Watford, we did a warm-up of five minutes and David said his squad. I didn’t hear my name.

“There were four or five of us and he said, ‘You are going to train on the other side of the training ground.’ I had played 80 minutes against Lyons — I had run, I was not walking — and Duncan said, ‘I am going to put you as the man in the middle. You are tired. Don’t worry. I know it is frustrating.’

“As you can understand, the tempo was not crazy because everyone was a bit sad and maybe I didn’t touch the ball because it was two v two.

“Duncan said to me, ‘Morgan, I understand you are tired, you played two days ago. There is no problem, if you want to rest and go inside, you can rest and go inside.’ I said, ‘Thank you’ and I went inside.

“I was not happy, of course. But I was just like maybe 99.9 per cent of the guys are when they are not in the squad and they have to train away from the first team.

“When the story came out [after Watford], I spoke with David. He said, ‘Morgan, no problem.’ We spoke honestly. I said sorry for my red card, because that is the only thing I could say sorry about. We looked to turn things around and I started the next game.

“Maybe people wanted to see me because we had bad results and they had to find someone to pick and to say, ‘His fault, his fault, his fault.’ That is the life of a football player.”

It was the insinuation that he did not care that nagged away. Schneiderlin had not played well in the first half of the season — no one did — when Everton had no striker after selling but not replacing Romelu Lukaku, Ronald Koeman was sacked, Unsworth filled the breach and eventually Allardyce was appointed to stave off the faint threat of relegation.

Perhaps, after making such a good impression when signing from Manchester United in January 2017 for £20 million, the scrutiny fell on him because the fluctuation in form felt so confusing. On the drive home after the Palace game, Schneiderlin sat seething at the wheel. It was his wife, Camille, who helped to fuel the fightback.

“My wife is very supportive of me,” Schneiderlin said. “She said: ‘You have to show them who you are.’ Maybe it was a time to look at myself in the mirror and say, ‘Why? Why did this happen?’

“As well as my wife, I had a long chat with my best friends, my parents, my agent. They are not the type of guys who say, ‘Oh Morgan, you are the most beautiful. Oh Morgan, you are the best.’ They say [honest] things to me. I agreed with them. I didn’t have the best season.

“It eats me like crazy because the most frustrating thing is that image is not myself. I am an honest guy who works very, very hard. I can have a bad game, or a bad performance, but putting that on me that I don’t give a [Poor language removed], I don’t care — that is not who I am.”

The undercurrent at Goodison Park often simmers, yet Schneiderlin believes that he can thrive under Silva’s tutelage as he contemplates making good his rehabilitation. The Portuguese made keeping the player a priority when he was appointed Everton manager and a week into pre-season they spoke face-to-face candidly.

Silva outlined a fresh start, one in which he would be demanding of the player, and then Schneiderlin bared his soul. “I knew I had to work twice, maybe three times as hard as anyone else because I knew some people and some fans would see me in a different way,” he continued.

“That is what I said to the manager. I said I was prepared to do that and that was what I have done.

“He is challenging the players and training is great. The feeling is that, if an opponent has the ball, you don’t wait for them to come, you have to press them. Then, when we have the ball, we have to be clever.

“He always tells me about the second phase. If I make a pass, I have to understand where my position needs to be after that pass. The second step. Don’t just think about the pass.

“I know what I have to do when I have the ball and I know what I have to do when I don’t have the ball. It is a clear message and you can only improve like this.

“He [Silva] doesn’t say, ‘You have to do it.’ If you feel that is the moment to do it, do it. He gives you a line to follow and then, after, it is your instinct.”

It was Schneiderlin’s instinct that told him not to give up. There may be bumps in the road, but he is adamant that his commitment will not waver.

Nonsense really, talking about how Silva wants him to play and the second phase etc. Bullshit if he’s trying to achieve that.

How many times have we witness him stand off and waiting for opponent to come near him with the ball?
How often did we see him make a short pass and run 5, 10 yards forward and create an angle for a return pass?

Doing an interview to gain sympathy and nothing else. Prove it on the pitch and your respect will be restored.
 

Yes fair enough, I didn't think Tom Davies had a great game, but he gives his all and because of his age I tend not to be too critical of him, whereas Schneiderlin plays within himself all the time.
I agree on Davies but to be fair to Schneiderlin I think he's just one of those players who looks like that.

It happens in all sports. In cricket you get bowlers who look like they're just loosening up but then can't bowl any faster no matter how hard they're trying, you get boxers who seem to be toying with an opponent but ultimately just don't have the power to hurt them, and I've backed plenty of horses that have cantered to the front looking like they'll win by a distance only to find there's nothing in the tank when the jockey says time to go.

Schneiderlin sort of cruises round and looks composed on the ball so you think he's got plenty more to offer but in reality what he's doing is pretty much what he's capable of.
 
Not a fan of the lad mate? Agree with you in many ways, get shut? Reckon we would if we could, but he’s on top dollar and a queue of suiters equalling zero. Who do reckon we should get to take his place who....will be better, we can get on similar dough and who passes the ‘he’s a real Blue this lad, gets us & does stuff that makes him out to be an improvement?

I don’t know either to be honest(, but I do know looking on the Tom Davies thread won’t help’!

We need new signings for sure, I think it was right to fix the defence first. The midfield comes next....
As to your point, the answers are not currently within the Everton squad.
Part of the legacy Marco has inherited and fixes take time.
 
I'd like to know his reasoning for getting himself sent off against Lyon.


Couldn't care less about the arsing around him and Mirallas did on the training ground.
 
He has improved a little to the extent that he is now average instead of dire (which he was last season)
We need a more mobile player without his limitations (lack of forward passing, slowness, lack of tackling) but it looks like we are stuck with him till at least the next window,

I don't buy his media charm offensive in the slightest: the team needs him replaced in order to progress.
 

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