Morgan Schneiderlin

[BernieWright13]

Absolutely loved Bracewell what a player he was in that midfield. Parkinson is the only midfielder (Kenny would of been another ) since then who has come close to matching Reid and Bracewell. It's been a long wait.

No-one has come close to Reidy and/or Brace.

 

[davek]

As Moshiri has previously stated: "What is £47.5m? We tried to buy Koulibaly and they wanted £60m. It’s monopoly money, it doesn’t mean anything"

You'll see haw much that's monopoly money when a player like Lukaku is sold in the summer to cover these deals.

 

[davek]

They are good players Drave.

Just shy of £50M for two good players. Madness.

 

[Sapie88]

Can't believe he still hasn't signed!

Sack the board.

 

[davek]

£22m for Schneiderlin in this market is a bargain. Proven in the league, has five years left at his peak, great engine, good technique and a very decent footballing brain.

He and Gana are going to be tremendous, and when you consider the pair cost under £30m, that's tremendous business.

Read that line back to yourself.

£22M is absurd. United made a loss of £2M on a player they wont play.

Possibly a worse deal in a purely financial sense than Bolassie's. At least there it was adding firepower up front (although, as with the Schneiderlin deal, it was another acquisition for a position we didn't desperately need to fill).

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Scholes got moved around and played out of position in order to accomodate those two mate, that was a way stupider decision really

i remeber a time when he was considered as the weak link at united. they would have 10 players of his ability now if they could

@Mikey_Fitzgerald

 

[Tubey]

Read that line back to yourself.

£22M is absurd. United made a loss of £2M on a player they wont play.

Possibly a worse deal in a purely financial sense than Bolassie's. At least there it was adding firepower up front (although, as with the Schneiderlin deal, it was another acquisition for a position we didn't desperately need to fill).

I said "in this market". July 2015 was a different animal to what we have now.

£22m is the new £12-15m.

And I disagree with you about needing to fill that position. We have no long term quality in that area of the pitch to build a side around beyond Gana - Cleverley and McCarthy are useless, Besic injury prone, Gibson is Gibson and Barry is 36 in February.

 

[MikeH72]

£50m is around what Roberto spent to take us from 5th to 13th.

 

[davek]

TV money, Dave. TV money.
I'm referring also to a previous post of yours about when Ibrahimovic went from Juve to Inter for £22m (though you did forget to mention when he went from inter to Barca for £59m three years later (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/zlatan-ibrahimovic/transfers/spieler/3455/transfer_id/324955)).


Firstly, this is from 2015-16 season:

https://www.premierleague.com/news/60138

Compared to the 2004-05 season:

http://origin-www.premierleague.com/staticFiles/ff/65/0,,12306~91647,00.pdf

Our payments from TV broadcasting have tripled in 11 years. When this information is available publically, other clubs know we can be milked for more and since we're able to pay it, the price goes up...

Yes, we know tv money has given everyone the right to spend a lot more, but the trick is how much you spend on quality and whether you can expect to shift it on when you finish with it. On those two counts the Bolassie and Schneiderlin signings make little sense. Neither are the type of top quality you demand for spending in the £20 odd million bracket, and Everton will be lucky to claw back a third of what they've paid for them.

What we've seen here is a classic case of a manager who wont rely on coaching his current squad and who wants to act like a chequebook manager. If he gets this all wrong (and the early indications are he will) we will have a massive financial headache a couple of years down the line...when Koeman has left - because he wont be the one to have to pick up the pieces.

As said, if he now compounds all this by spending big again on dodgy talent with dodgy attitudes like Depay then this will turn rapidly into a major problem for the club.

 

[neil999]

Read that line back to yourself.

£22M is absurd. United made a loss of £2M on a player they wont play.

Possibly a worse deal in a purely financial sense than Bolassie's. At least there it was adding firepower up front (although, as with the Schneiderlin deal, it was another acquisition for a position we didn't desperately need to fill).

i know we arent at their level..but look at some of the fees man city paid when they first became money -



Gareth Barry £12,000,000
Roque Santa Cruz £17,500,000
Carlos Tevez £25,500,000
Emmanuel Adebayor £25,000,000
Kolo Toure £16,000,000
Joleon Lescott £22,000,000

Adam Johnson £7,000,000
Jo £18,000,000
Tal Ben-Haim £5,000,000

Shaun Wright Phillips £9,000,000
Robinho £32,500,000
Wayne Bridge £12,000,000
Craig Bellamy £14,000,000
Nigel De Jong £16,000,000[3]
Shay Given £8,000,000[4]

 

[everton2004]

£50m is around what Roberto spent to take us from 5th to 13th.

Phenomenal.

 

[MikeH72]

i know we arent at their level..but look at some of the fees man city paid when they first became money -



Gareth Barry £12,000,000
Roque Santa Cruz £17,500,000
Carlos Tevez £25,500,000
Emmanuel Adebayor £25,000,000
Kolo Toure £16,000,000
Joleon Lescott £22,000,000

Adam Johnson £7,000,000
Jo £18,000,000
Tal Ben-Haim £5,000,000

Shaun Wright Phillips £9,000,000
Robinho £32,500,000
Wayne Bridge £12,000,000
Craig Bellamy £14,000,000
Nigel De Jong £16,000,000[3]
Shay Given £8,000,000[4]

Milner cost them about £26m as well.

 

[GlosBlue]

Yes, we know tv money has given everyone the right to spend a lot more, but the trick is how much you spend on quality and whether you can expect to shift it on when you finish with it. On those two counts the Bolassie and Schneiderlin signings make little sense. Neither are the type of top quality you demand for spending in the £20 odd million bracket, and Everton will be lucky to claw back a third of what they've paid for them.

What we've seen here is a classic case of a manager who wont rely on coaching his current squad and who wants to act like a chequebook manager. If he gets this all wrong (and the early indications are he will) we will have a massive financial headache a couple of years down the line...when Koeman has left - because he wont be the one to have to pick up the pieces.

As said, if he now compounds all this by spending big again on dodgy talent with dodgy attitudes like Depay then this will turn rapid;y into a major problem for the club.

If only you had put your name into the hat when they sacked Martinez. We'd be top by now. Oh well...

 

[davek]

WFT -You mean like De Bruyne at Chelsea?

You talk some drivel. Some managers don't fancy certain players, it does not mean they are "water carriers" you need to be a bit more open with the way the world works, such a stuck record.

Had to read that twice. You appear to be comparing a thoroughbred like De Bryune with a shire horse.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Yes, we know tv money has given everyone the right to spend a lot more, but the trick is how much you spend on quality and whether you can expect to shift it on when you finish with it. On those two counts the Bolassie and Schneiderlin signings make little sense. Neither are the type of top quality you demand for spending in the £20 odd million bracket, and Everton will be lucky to claw back a third of what they've paid for them.

What we've seen here is a classic case of a manager who wont rely on coaching his current squad and who wants to act like a chequebook manager. If he gets this all wrong (and the early indications are he will) we will have a massive financial headache a couple of years down the line...when Koeman has left - because he wont be the one to have to pick up the pieces.

As said, if he now compounds all this by spending big again on dodgy talent with dodgy attitudes like Depay then this will turn rapidly into a major problem for the club.

we no longer need to buy players and hope to shift them on for profit anymore dave.

we are in a position to buy players in their prime and use them until we see fit to replace them.

the days of scrimping and saving 'seem' to be behind us.