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Moyes linked with Villa and Spurs

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chris_b said:
I think the thing with Villa is - they used to be put up as an example of how an external buyer can put money in without interfering (the anti Glazer / H & G if you like). The only difference being Mr Lerner has now decided he wants the money back and they were spending to much so all that cash they had has gone and they are having to sell players to finance any progress.
They are very similar to us in that fact but for a brief PJ liek flurry of spending cash on players you cant afford then demanding it back
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Sort of. He's decided he's not able or cannot continue the expenditure as he has been. Costs ballooned and revenues didn't increase as they speculated they would.

So now Villa are in the middle of their own "spending crunch" and are in full cost cutting mode.

They'll be selling to get the growing debt down at a minimum this summer. Let alone to replace players.


And even if they do it'll take two or three years before they're in any sort of improving position financially.
 
Not helped by the fact that a certain Mr O'Neil got a number of players of dubious ability on very high wages!
 
Matt Damon said:
The fact you're dodging the bullets on - is that the monitoring occurs over a three year period, so those teams not good enough to qualify in year one ... but who qualify in year three

are still out of Europe in year four!

So the teams in mid table have to consider their spending three years in advance!
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Annnnnnd?

So we wait on other clubs ballsing up to be banned from Europe so we can finish 8th and qualify for champos league?

Master plan
 
Matt Damon said:
The term could be "Bridge financing". Other times this may be considered a commercial "overdraft" Such as the one taken out before the 2008 financial crash to ensure that the club had access to funds in an uncertain time, to ensure continued operations.

It was a prudent move. The bank would have rejected the application if they were concerned. Especially at that time - at the "CREDIT CRUNCH" when getting finance was at its hardest.


Here: let me put it in wiki language for you that you can read:





You've seen bridge financing applications by the club and assumed that this is somehow been long term debt. Because it suits an agenda of yours perhaps?

In fact the club never used the 2008 overdraft as far as I'm aware.


Yes the club's capital reserves are less than they should be. (Most football clubs are these days). But at least there's not a £140million debt to be considered.


Its all to do with CASH FLOWS.

Square the circle lad.
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so, in theory, this could be used to pay ,say, interest payments on other loans ans suchlike, until other finances(STs,sky monies) comes in. am i right on this?
and while your in full flow. please explain how you have the faith in this board to implement the kind of planning,"SQUARE THE CIRCLE" when in the previous eleven years they have failed at every opportunity availed to them?
just so you understand, im asking to comment on the pathetic and obtuse way this board has been following any kind of business plan concerning taking this club forward. not about villa or any other club.
 

sirblue57 said:
so, in theory, this could be used to pay ,say, interest payments on other loans ans suchlike, until other finances(STs,sky monies) comes in. am i right on this?
and while your in full flow. please explain how you have the faith in this board to implement the kind of planning,"SQUARE THE CIRCLE" when in the previous eleven years they have failed at every opportunity availed to them?
just so you understand, im asking to comment on the pathetic and obtuse way this board has been following any kind of business plan concerning taking this club forward. not about villa or any other club.
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He's relying on them selling the club to someone.
 
I thinks it's fair to say everyone agree's on the point, both Everton and villa are clubs you wouldn't have your money on bringing in silverwear in the near future , both are selling clubs , both are sleeping giants *so to speak* both have major debt to worry about and neither will make signings this summer that really get you excited for the new season , so it's pointless arguing over the two
 
sirblue57 said:
so, in theory, this could be used to pay ,say, interest payments on other loans ans suchlike, until other finances(STs,sky monies) comes in. am i right on this?
and while your in full flow. please explain how you have the faith in this board to implement the kind of planning,"SQUARE THE CIRCLE" when in the previous eleven years they have failed at every opportunity availed to them?
just so you understand, im asking to comment on the pathetic and obtuse way this board has been following any kind of business plan concerning taking this club forward. not about villa or any other club.
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You keep saying your not interested in any other club's finances yet you're in a "Moyes linked with Villa and Spurs" thread, where we've proven that financially Villa are in a terrible state.

And in relation to interest payments, it depends on how interest payments are structured whether quarterly or annually.

But even so, the bridge financing is only temporary (months even) and is paid back, so net debt over the season is ZERO (all that its use means is that overall costs are higher). But the interest is paid and there's no net increase in debt.




You've called me an idiot and all sorts in this thread. But the fact remains I've battered out all your bowling today and every day.

You've implied that loans are taken long term to pay only the interest on existing debts. Wrong.

You say you're not interested in other clubs finances, yet when theirs EXAGGERATED rumours that Moyes would be off, you're all over it like a rash.

I'm correct in that aren't I?
 
Just waiting for Professor Tom Cannon to pipe up some ****e about football finance in this thread. He can't do worse than some of the self proclaimed finance experts here repeatedly blurting on about Villa.
 
Chang Elephant said:
Just waiting for Professor Tom Cannon to pipe up some ****e about football finance in this thread. He can't do worse than some of the self proclaimed finance experts here repeatedly blurting on about Villa.
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So Moyes is off then is he?

Or are they going after Martinez because they know that anyone going to Villa will have a negative net spend over the next three years?


Were we right or were we right about Villa?

And have Everton gone into administration?
 

Matt Damon said:
So Moyes is off then is he?

Or are they going after Martinez because they know that anyone going to Villa will have a negative net spend over the next three years?


Were we right or were we right about Villa?

And have Everton gone into administration?
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Excellent diversionary questions Matt, but I'm more concerned about the misleading inference that Villa's overspending somehow shows that Everton have been well run.
 
Matt Damon said:
You keep saying your not interested in any other club's finances yet you're in a "Moyes linked with Villa and Spurs" thread, where we've proven that financially Villa are in a terrible state.

And in relation to interest payments, it depends on how interest payments are structured whether quarterly or annually.

But even so, the bridge financing is only temporary (months even) and is paid back, so net debt over the season is ZERO (all that its use means is that overall costs are higher). But the interest is paid and there's no net increase in debt.




You've called me an idiot and all sorts in this thread. But the fact remains I've battered out all your bowling today and every day.

You've implied that loans are taken long term to pay only the interest on existing debts. Wrong.

You say you're not interested in other clubs finances, yet when theirs EXAGGERATED rumours that Moyes would be off, you're all over it like a rash.

I'm correct in that aren't I?
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again, no. WRONG. are bridging finance a form of loan? do we pay a charge for this facility?
and the thread is indeed "moyes linked with villa" not "villa debts and problems"
i have not debated you on moyes leaving because i doubted he would, especially for villa.
i have debated you on OUR problems, its just you constantly have this need to prove how clever you are by throwing figures concerning villa, despite my saying im not concerned about there finances. i have asked you about our finances, as you infer we are better run, im asking where and how? just because we dont have debts as large as villas? thats not what i meant, but you keep avoiding this issue, so i left with looking as to why?
do you not understand simply put questions?
do you actually believe people on an everton forum REALLY need or want to know about villas debts in such detail?
as i said, you come across as intelligent matt, but sometimes your knowledge blinds you to what people REALLY want to know.
where is the money going at GP
why are we so badly run
why does no one want to buy us
considering you keep harping on about villas financial plight, i wonder what information you could dig up about evertons, seeing as its an everton forum of course. and for the record, it was NOT me that brought finance into this thread.
 

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