Phenom
Player Valuation: £70m
He's ITK mate.
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He's ITK mate.
Columbia6
Player Valuation: £8m
He was claiming Lennon earlier in the month.
Although he is advising people to "put whatever you can on it". Gives me an idea. He should show us all a screencap or bet slip with a hefty bet (several hundred pounds) on Pereira as next manager. Then I'll believe him. Anyone who claims to be 'ITK' about anything should be subjected to this test.
I strayed onto here and was impressed by the quality of the contributions. But one thing still amazes me. Moyes leaves after 11 years with a backroom staff which terrifies the vast majority of Evertonians - you could see them all ranked behind him on the benches every game, chewing away, scared to contribute, all on six-figures, sycophantic zero-contributors. And that is the legacy Moyes left - a useless backroom staff, no succession plan and he starts work at United whilst we are still paying him and them for the next 6 weeks. The extent to which Moyes built a reputation out of reducing expectations is immense
bcblue1878
Player Valuation: £50m
How many other people sang this when they read it just to check Phenom had the right number of "Robbies"?
GwladysBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
If he is right a 2 year deal is not much is it?
SteKelly
Player Valuation: £35m
He's not going to stay for 5years mate. He will want to see if we get europe or something.
It's not him anyway, it's martinez!
Steve Wigan
Player Valuation: £35m
Well, if it is Martinez, whats the betting we still finish 6th, but its more exciting?
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
I shouldn't bother, it's obvious that he's a total whopper.
Sorry for the long paste but can't post links yet. Read this today on 442.
How Roberto Martinez took Wigan backwards
With Roberto Martinez set to decide today whether to stay at Wigan, Tom McDermott says they might be better off without a manager who took them backwards...
Since Roberto Martinez was appointed Wigan manager in 2009, his intelligence and personality has won him many admirers. What’s not to like? What we have also found out is that the Spaniard is incredibly naive tactically and although his passing style might be pleasing on the eye (sometimes), ultimately it’s failed him and the club.
During the build-up to their season-closing 2-2 draw against Aston Villa, Martinez said: “I know it can sound a bit stupid but I’ve never, ever thought about my situation yet.” With respect Roberto, is it something that should be left for you to decide? Although Wigan had finally fell through the trapdoor with a 4-1 thrashing by Arsenal at the Emirates, there was an air of inevitability about it. The writing had been on the wall for about four years.
There has also been a bit of a myth surrounding Martinez for most of his time at the club. The myth is that Martinez is destined for a ‘top’ job and when such a vacancy is available he will be a resounding success. It’s seen by some as a reward for his outstanding performance in his current role. Well, why not? He doesn’t just look the part. He’s won the FA Cup you know!
Martinez has a vision of how the game should be played, which started long before his successful spell in charge of Swansea City. But, as has been shown this season, it can only take you so far, and a parting of the ways might be more beneficial for Wigan than it is for Martinez.
It’s hard not to cringe when Wigan chairman Dave Whelan talks about the ‘special’ job Martinez has done at the DW Stadium. So it’s probably worth looking at just how well he’s performed.
Wigan spent eight years in the Premier League, with Martinez in charge for the last four. In 2009/10, they finished 16th with 36 points, winning nine games. In 2010/11 they finished 16th again, winning nine games. In 2011/12 season they improved to 15th, winning 11 matches. But they finished this season in 18th place conceding 73 goals and were relegated from the Premier League.
It's instructive to compare that period to Wigan's four pre-Martinez top-flight years. Having been promoted under Paul Jewell, they finished 2005/06 in 10th place, scoring 45 goals (more than they managed in three of Martinez's seasons) and winning 15 games on their way to 51 points despite the distraction of reaching the 2006 League Cup Final.
Inevitably, people will raise this season's FA Cup success as a sign that Martinez has got it right. In the final against Manchester City and against Everton at Goodison Park in an earlier round, Martinez’s side performed and performed very well. Quite rightly they received credit.
Over the years though in the Premier League, they have shown they are capable of beating sides in the top half of the division, in these kind of one-off games. Victories at Arsenal and at home to Manchester United during the 2011/12 campaign, spring to mind.
What wasn’t quite as impressive during their FA Cup run were the wins against Bournemouth (after two attempts), Macclesfield, Huddersfield and Millwall. And you only have to look over the list of managers to have reached cup finals to realise that you aren't necessarily a great manager just because you've had a bespoke suit fitted.
The argument is that Wigan have overachieved for years, doing well to stay in the division at all, and that Martinez will be able to achieve more at a bigger club with better players. But what usually makes the better managers successful is their ability to adapt and know when to introduce a Plan B.
And that’s where Martinez’s second issue gets in the way. Besides rejigging his formation, he doesn’t have a tactical Plan B and maybe he knew that when he chose to turn down first the Aston Villa job and then the Liverpool one.
It wouldn’t be such a surprise to see Martinez take on another manager job in the Premier League this pre-season but time will probably tell that Wigan is his perfect match.
How Roberto Martinez took Wigan backwards
With Roberto Martinez set to decide today whether to stay at Wigan, Tom McDermott says they might be better off without a manager who took them backwards...
Since Roberto Martinez was appointed Wigan manager in 2009, his intelligence and personality has won him many admirers. What’s not to like? What we have also found out is that the Spaniard is incredibly naive tactically and although his passing style might be pleasing on the eye (sometimes), ultimately it’s failed him and the club.
During the build-up to their season-closing 2-2 draw against Aston Villa, Martinez said: “I know it can sound a bit stupid but I’ve never, ever thought about my situation yet.” With respect Roberto, is it something that should be left for you to decide? Although Wigan had finally fell through the trapdoor with a 4-1 thrashing by Arsenal at the Emirates, there was an air of inevitability about it. The writing had been on the wall for about four years.
There has also been a bit of a myth surrounding Martinez for most of his time at the club. The myth is that Martinez is destined for a ‘top’ job and when such a vacancy is available he will be a resounding success. It’s seen by some as a reward for his outstanding performance in his current role. Well, why not? He doesn’t just look the part. He’s won the FA Cup you know!
Martinez has a vision of how the game should be played, which started long before his successful spell in charge of Swansea City. But, as has been shown this season, it can only take you so far, and a parting of the ways might be more beneficial for Wigan than it is for Martinez.
It’s hard not to cringe when Wigan chairman Dave Whelan talks about the ‘special’ job Martinez has done at the DW Stadium. So it’s probably worth looking at just how well he’s performed.
Wigan spent eight years in the Premier League, with Martinez in charge for the last four. In 2009/10, they finished 16th with 36 points, winning nine games. In 2010/11 they finished 16th again, winning nine games. In 2011/12 season they improved to 15th, winning 11 matches. But they finished this season in 18th place conceding 73 goals and were relegated from the Premier League.
It's instructive to compare that period to Wigan's four pre-Martinez top-flight years. Having been promoted under Paul Jewell, they finished 2005/06 in 10th place, scoring 45 goals (more than they managed in three of Martinez's seasons) and winning 15 games on their way to 51 points despite the distraction of reaching the 2006 League Cup Final.
Inevitably, people will raise this season's FA Cup success as a sign that Martinez has got it right. In the final against Manchester City and against Everton at Goodison Park in an earlier round, Martinez’s side performed and performed very well. Quite rightly they received credit.
Over the years though in the Premier League, they have shown they are capable of beating sides in the top half of the division, in these kind of one-off games. Victories at Arsenal and at home to Manchester United during the 2011/12 campaign, spring to mind.
What wasn’t quite as impressive during their FA Cup run were the wins against Bournemouth (after two attempts), Macclesfield, Huddersfield and Millwall. And you only have to look over the list of managers to have reached cup finals to realise that you aren't necessarily a great manager just because you've had a bespoke suit fitted.
The argument is that Wigan have overachieved for years, doing well to stay in the division at all, and that Martinez will be able to achieve more at a bigger club with better players. But what usually makes the better managers successful is their ability to adapt and know when to introduce a Plan B.
And that’s where Martinez’s second issue gets in the way. Besides rejigging his formation, he doesn’t have a tactical Plan B and maybe he knew that when he chose to turn down first the Aston Villa job and then the Liverpool one.
It wouldn’t be such a surprise to see Martinez take on another manager job in the Premier League this pre-season but time will probably tell that Wigan is his perfect match.
AaronTheBlue
Player Valuation: £60m
Kinsale Toffee
Player Valuation: £1.5m
You mean he's lying about his friends in the BBC? That's just unacceptable!
Jags..class
Player Valuation: £70m
We have to stop worrying about finishing 6th, we got **** all this season for it. Love us to get to a cup final and try and get Europe for the following season.
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
I know, what a cad.
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
If we appoint him, I'll take any money you like that we don't finish in the top 6 next season.
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