Moyes Potential Replacement

[orly]

Sorry, just had a bad moment. Would be devastated if we got him though.

To be honest mate, I'm in full agreement with you

 

[Ravensblue]

Nah, you can say the same for anyone who going to take over, Moyes had left us not the first team. Moyes had left us in a good place right now, we need someone with fresh ideas, our fans have been crying out for attractive football and always moaning about Moyes defensive subs. Wish the fans would make up their mind on what they want to see.

Nah man what the fans want is not some crap manager like martinez

 

[ToffeeMike]

How do you know that like?

I just get the impression mate, his contract runs out June 30th and he'll have to make a decsion before then.

 

[MikeH72]

At first I was 100% against the idea of Martinez as new manager. But I'm starting to warm to it after hearing the rumours about Stubbs and Weir. That could end in disaster and humiliation

 

[ToffeeMike]

He's ITK mate.

Not you again.

 

[caught]

THIS IS THE GUY FOR ME

 

[BernieWright13]

Don't forget Stoke are looking for a new coach as well

and city, chelsea and quite possibly newcastle

 

[Mark Bisson]

At first I was 100% against the idea of Martinez as new manager. But I'm starting to warm to it after hearing the rumours about Stubbs and Weir. That could end in disaster and humiliation

I just have this vision of Martinez doing post match interviews, not looking arsed that we have just been dry buggered for the 10th consecutive match.

 

[orly]

At first I was 100% against the idea of Martinez as new manager. But I'm starting to warm to it after hearing the rumours about Stubbs and Weir. That could end in disaster and humiliation

Interesting.... Club puts out rumours of internal candidates... Suddenly Martinez goes from being a relegated 20 odd percent win rate manager to the panacea for all our problems.

Surely bill isn't so cynical as that

 

[Rupert's Tower]

Sorry for the long paste but can't post links yet. Read this today on 442.

How Roberto Martinez took Wigan backwards

With Roberto Martinez set to decide today whether to stay at Wigan, Tom McDermott says they might be better off without a manager who took them backwards...

Since Roberto Martinez was appointed Wigan manager in 2009, his intelligence and personality has won him many admirers. What’s not to like? What we have also found out is that the Spaniard is incredibly naive tactically and although his passing style might be pleasing on the eye (sometimes), ultimately it’s failed him and the club.
During the build-up to their season-closing 2-2 draw against Aston Villa, Martinez said: “I know it can sound a bit stupid but I’ve never, ever thought about my situation yet.” With respect Roberto, is it something that should be left for you to decide? Although Wigan had finally fell through the trapdoor with a 4-1 thrashing by Arsenal at the Emirates, there was an air of inevitability about it. The writing had been on the wall for about four years.

There has also been a bit of a myth surrounding Martinez for most of his time at the club. The myth is that Martinez is destined for a ‘top’ job and when such a vacancy is available he will be a resounding success. It’s seen by some as a reward for his outstanding performance in his current role. Well, why not? He doesn’t just look the part. He’s won the FA Cup you know!
Martinez has a vision of how the game should be played, which started long before his successful spell in charge of Swansea City. But, as has been shown this season, it can only take you so far, and a parting of the ways might be more beneficial for Wigan than it is for Martinez.

It’s hard not to cringe when Wigan chairman Dave Whelan talks about the ‘special’ job Martinez has done at the DW Stadium. So it’s probably worth looking at just how well he’s performed.

Wigan spent eight years in the Premier League, with Martinez in charge for the last four. In 2009/10, they finished 16th with 36 points, winning nine games. In 2010/11 they finished 16th again, winning nine games. In 2011/12 season they improved to 15th, winning 11 matches. But they finished this season in 18th place conceding 73 goals and were relegated from the Premier League.

It's instructive to compare that period to Wigan's four pre-Martinez top-flight years. Having been promoted under Paul Jewell, they finished 2005/06 in 10th place, scoring 45 goals (more than they managed in three of Martinez's seasons) and winning 15 games on their way to 51 points despite the distraction of reaching the 2006 League Cup Final.

Inevitably, people will raise this season's FA Cup success as a sign that Martinez has got it right. In the final against Manchester City and against Everton at Goodison Park in an earlier round, Martinez’s side performed and performed very well. Quite rightly they received credit.

Over the years though in the Premier League, they have shown they are capable of beating sides in the top half of the division, in these kind of one-off games. Victories at Arsenal and at home to Manchester United during the 2011/12 campaign, spring to mind.

What wasn’t quite as impressive during their FA Cup run were the wins against Bournemouth (after two attempts), Macclesfield, Huddersfield and Millwall. And you only have to look over the list of managers to have reached cup finals to realise that you aren't necessarily a great manager just because you've had a bespoke suit fitted.

The argument is that Wigan have overachieved for years, doing well to stay in the division at all, and that Martinez will be able to achieve more at a bigger club with better players. But what usually makes the better managers successful is their ability to adapt and know when to introduce a Plan B.

And that’s where Martinez’s second issue gets in the way. Besides rejigging his formation, he doesn’t have a tactical Plan B and maybe he knew that when he chose to turn down first the Aston Villa job and then the Liverpool one.
It wouldn’t be such a surprise to see Martinez take on another manager job in the Premier League this pre-season but time will probably tell that Wigan is his perfect match.

To say Paul Jewell got them to 10th so this proves he did better than Martinez is ridiculous, every season is different. Paul Jewell also took Derby down with a record points LOW. Also, criticising Martinez cos they didn't blitz opponents like Bournemouth and Macclesfield en route to the FA Cup is bizarre, Wigan humiliated us at home and outplayed Man City in the final, swings and rounabouts at the end da

The consensus is Wigan play good football in front of half empty stadiums and with players like Gary Caldwell, he also gives youth a chance, none more so than to Callum McManaman who we let go. He's credited with beginning what Swansea are today, hardly evidence of a poor manager

 

[Phenom]

Not you again.

Well how else would you know?

 

[BernieWright13]

Interesting.... Club puts out rumours of internal candidates... Suddenly Martinez goes from being a relegated 20 odd percent win rate manager to the panacea for all our problems.

Surely bill isn't so cynical as that

Cynical? me?

 

[swisso]

I strayed onto here and was impressed by the quality of the contributions. But one thing still amazes me. Moyes leaves after 11 years with a backroom staff which terrifies the vast majority of Evertonians - you could see them all ranked behind him on the benches every game, chewing away, scared to contribute, all on six-figures, sycophantic zero-contributors. And that is the legacy Moyes left - a useless backroom staff, no succession plan and he starts work at United whilst we are still paying him and them for the next 6 weeks. The extent to which Moyes built a reputation out of reducing expectations is immense

I assume you mean the backroom staff are "useless" when you imply that none of them would appear to be immediately suitable to fill Moyes' boots tomorrow?

Because if you're suggesting they're generally "useless" at their day to day jobs, then well you're spouting sensationalist nonsense!

 

[BernieWright13]

I assume you mean the backroom staff are "useless" when you imply that none of them would appear to be immediately suitable to fill Moyes' boots tomorrow?

Because if you're suggesting they're generally "useless" at their day to day jobs, then well you're spouting sensationalist nonsense!

and that would never do on here

 

[Rupert's Tower]

and city, chelsea and quite possibly newcastle

I like the fact he wears the club suit, something Moyes never did. Fergie often wore it at Utd, even Benitez did at Chelsea. Would be nice to have a manager who looked the part if nothing else, Moyes used to wear a tracky till this season