Before he came Moyes had never even managed in the premier league. Then in his second full season he had us down in 17th. One summer later after selling all of his best players, he took us to fourth in the premier league. That was in the days of a locked out top 4 nearly all of which had far better sides than they do now. Arsenal were in their post invincible season, Chelsea had brought in Mourinho, Liverpool were en route to winning the Champions League and Man U (well they never seem to go bad do they). My point is this just shows that it is impossible to judge the new manager on what he has done before. All you can achieve by that is to try and minimise the risk (although for that there is a Juande Ramos to any argument). Guardiola, Pereira, AVB, Mourinho - at some point they were all someone elses Alan Stubbs (this is not an endorsement of Stubbs, just using him to make a point). At some point Benitez, Klopp and others were relegating sides. Whoever it is, we need to get behind him and hope for another 04/05 miracle. Despite the crest, things are not nearly as bad now as they were in 03/04.