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Moyes Potential Replacement

Who do you want? - being realistic

  • Roberto Martinez

    Votes: 221 13.8%

  • Vitor Pereira

    Votes: 594 37.2%

  • Neil Lennon

    Votes: 40 2.5%

  • Di Matteo

    Votes: 58 3.6%

  • Slaven Bilic

    Votes: 73 4.6%

  • Michael Laudrup

    Votes: 410 25.7%

  • Malky Mackay

    Votes: 33 2.1%

  • From within the club

    Votes: 60 3.8%

  • Other

    Votes: 108 6.8%
  • Total voters
    1,597
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Liam_Baggies said:
We were looking at appointing Ralf Rangnick prior to our appointment of Steve Clarke - I myself was fairly hopeful that he would join. Particularly as he favours fast paced attacking football with an emphasis on pressurinsing the ball further up the pitch - he is also quite fond of encouraging and promoting younger players.

When we were after him, a number of Schalke supporters joined our forum and I'll provide you of some of their comments surrounding RR:

Schalke04FC:
"can't believe this is happening. I'm really happy for you. If rumours are true you made it to hire one of the best managers of the Bundesliga. As Hannover96 already stated he's pure class and I'm quite sad at the time because he won't be available for my club, Schalke 04 FC, anytime soon.

He resigned as Schalke manager in september last year due to a burnout syndrome. That was pretty frustrating for Schalke fans since he had a special bond with the club and the fans. When he first came to Schalke for the 2004/05 season we finished runner-up. He was fired by former general manager Assauer because they didn't get along quite well. So his first stint at Schalke was pretty succesfull but pretty short, too. He then moved on to become manager of Hoffenheim. He led them from third division to the Bundesliga straight away. In Hoffenheim's first Bundesliga season they managed to finish on top at the end of the first half of the season but couldn't hold it and finished 7th at the end. The first half of the season has shown a Hoffenheim team that was just amazing. Quick passing, counter attacking and a high pressing defense. The best performance I've ever seen when it comes to quick transition play. Just brilliant. But they couldn't keep the pace and became more and more vulnerable at the back (they've been vulnerable at the back all season long but failed to score goals in the second half of the season).

When he came to us for a second short stint last year you could see right away the changes. We trashed Inter in the CL but went out of the tournament when we met a much better side (Man Utd.) in the semis. And then he resigned.

Ralf Rangnick speaks fluently English. He spent a year in England as a student in the late 70s. So language won't be a problem (he's got quite a German accent though). He's a big fan of the EPL and his managerial style will be having a big impact on the league. His philosophy has always been very offensive minded. High pressing, quick passing, quick vertical play, quick transition. He likes his players to chase the ball by 2 or 3 forcing the opponent to quickly give away the ball. Furthermore he's really into quick feeted and fast wingers. You see, he's really fokussing on playing the game in a straight way. No long balls, keeping the ball on the ground.

Unfortunately his teams were always a bit vulnerable at the back. But if you want to see spectacular football you've got the right manager. I dare to say you'll finish in the top ten next season."

man-mangement: It's been said he couldn't handle the big names in his teams and at one point in the future he would be falling out with them. I think that's not right. When he came to Schalke last year Raúl and him didn't quite click. So there was this rumour about Raúl leaving because of Ralf. But to be fair Ralfs was implementing a style of play that was completely the opposite of Raúl's past team play. Raúl isn't a player who loves to pressure the opponent. But in the end everything worked out and they got along.

Ralf loves to work with young talents, developing them into really good players. He's not a Mourinho, he's rather reserved but still highly rated within the teams he managed. Lewis Holtby, a young German talent -> his father is a former English Service Man, was crying when Ralf announced he's leaving.

As for the relationship with the board: Ralf has his own mind and he strongly believes in his philosophy. He was falling out with our former gerneral manager Assauer because he sensed that he was not respected. In Hoffenheim Ralf left because he was fed up with the general management and its influence in the transfers. They just sold the most important player of the team to Bayern (Gustavo) without consulting Ralf. They just sold him and Ralf got to know the news by a journalist. That was just annoying and Ralf felt it's time to leave. Well, Ralf likes to have a say in the transfers. But I really think he learned a lot from the past. He said last year that when he started working as a manager he wanted to do it all. But that was so time consuming that he had to let go a bit and assign someone else to do do the scouting, physical therapy for the players etc. Today he just focuses on the job.

He's very ambitious. As it was already discussed on here, Ralf's called "professor" by some medias. And that's not a compliment because he used to stand out from his manager colleagues. He's never been a good player and never made it to play for a Bundesliga club. Instead he decided to go to university and become a teacher (PE). He's very intelligent and 10-15 years ago that was something new in Germany. Considering the football branch it was kinda irritating and maybe intimidating to have a manager that was actually highly educated. However he became famous when he explained on German TV the advantages of having a back four (LB,CB,CB,RB) and zonal defense. At that time German club sides still played with 3 defenders at the back and one sweeper (libero) and the opponent was marked man to man which was completely out of fashion. The result of Ralf's media appearence: he was laughed at by the media and by his fellow managers. Germany was simply not ready yet and so he was called the professor.

1GermanyGuy
"hes a coach who wants his team to operate and not just to react. Pressing is the key word in his work. At Schalke we played quite often
4-1-3-2 . "
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Nice post, very informative.
 
Liam_Baggies said:
We were looking at appointing Ralf Rangnick prior to our appointment of Steve Clarke - I myself was fairly hopeful that he would join. Particularly as he favours fast paced attacking football with an emphasis on pressurinsing the ball further up the pitch - he is also quite fond of encouraging and promoting younger players.

When we were after him, a number of Schalke supporters joined our forum and I'll provide you of some of their comments surrounding RR:

Schalke04FC:
"can't believe this is happening. I'm really happy for you. If rumours are true you made it to hire one of the best managers of the Bundesliga. As Hannover96 already stated he's pure class and I'm quite sad at the time because he won't be available for my club, Schalke 04 FC, anytime soon.

He resigned as Schalke manager in september last year due to a burnout syndrome. That was pretty frustrating for Schalke fans since he had a special bond with the club and the fans. When he first came to Schalke for the 2004/05 season we finished runner-up. He was fired by former general manager Assauer because they didn't get along quite well. So his first stint at Schalke was pretty succesfull but pretty short, too. He then moved on to become manager of Hoffenheim. He led them from third division to the Bundesliga straight away. In Hoffenheim's first Bundesliga season they managed to finish on top at the end of the first half of the season but couldn't hold it and finished 7th at the end. The first half of the season has shown a Hoffenheim team that was just amazing. Quick passing, counter attacking and a high pressing defense. The best performance I've ever seen when it comes to quick transition play. Just brilliant. But they couldn't keep the pace and became more and more vulnerable at the back (they've been vulnerable at the back all season long but failed to score goals in the second half of the season).

When he came to us for a second short stint last year you could see right away the changes. We trashed Inter in the CL but went out of the tournament when we met a much better side (Man Utd.) in the semis. And then he resigned.

Ralf Rangnick speaks fluently English. He spent a year in England as a student in the late 70s. So language won't be a problem (he's got quite a German accent though). He's a big fan of the EPL and his managerial style will be having a big impact on the league. His philosophy has always been very offensive minded. High pressing, quick passing, quick vertical play, quick transition. He likes his players to chase the ball by 2 or 3 forcing the opponent to quickly give away the ball. Furthermore he's really into quick feeted and fast wingers. You see, he's really fokussing on playing the game in a straight way. No long balls, keeping the ball on the ground.

Unfortunately his teams were always a bit vulnerable at the back. But if you want to see spectacular football you've got the right manager. I dare to say you'll finish in the top ten next season."

man-mangement: It's been said he couldn't handle the big names in his teams and at one point in the future he would be falling out with them. I think that's not right. When he came to Schalke last year Raúl and him didn't quite click. So there was this rumour about Raúl leaving because of Ralf. But to be fair Ralfs was implementing a style of play that was completely the opposite of Raúl's past team play. Raúl isn't a player who loves to pressure the opponent. But in the end everything worked out and they got along.

Ralf loves to work with young talents, developing them into really good players. He's not a Mourinho, he's rather reserved but still highly rated within the teams he managed. Lewis Holtby, a young German talent -> his father is a former English Service Man, was crying when Ralf announced he's leaving.

As for the relationship with the board: Ralf has his own mind and he strongly believes in his philosophy. He was falling out with our former gerneral manager Assauer because he sensed that he was not respected. In Hoffenheim Ralf left because he was fed up with the general management and its influence in the transfers. They just sold the most important player of the team to Bayern (Gustavo) without consulting Ralf. They just sold him and Ralf got to know the news by a journalist. That was just annoying and Ralf felt it's time to leave. Well, Ralf likes to have a say in the transfers. But I really think he learned a lot from the past. He said last year that when he started working as a manager he wanted to do it all. But that was so time consuming that he had to let go a bit and assign someone else to do do the scouting, physical therapy for the players etc. Today he just focuses on the job.

He's very ambitious. As it was already discussed on here, Ralf's called "professor" by some medias. And that's not a compliment because he used to stand out from his manager colleagues. He's never been a good player and never made it to play for a Bundesliga club. Instead he decided to go to university and become a teacher (PE). He's very intelligent and 10-15 years ago that was something new in Germany. Considering the football branch it was kinda irritating and maybe intimidating to have a manager that was actually highly educated. However he became famous when he explained on German TV the advantages of having a back four (LB,CB,CB,RB) and zonal defense. At that time German club sides still played with 3 defenders at the back and one sweeper (libero) and the opponent was marked man to man which was completely out of fashion. The result of Ralf's media appearence: he was laughed at by the media and by his fellow managers. Germany was simply not ready yet and so he was called the professor.

1GermanyGuy
"hes a coach who wants his team to operate and not just to react. Pressing is the key word in his work. At Schalke we played quite often
4-1-3-2 . "
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O get him or Pereira in bill ffs
 
maddison said:
I think Pereira and Ralf would come if they were wanted, but I think Chico and quite a few others on here were right in saying Martinez was nailed on from the start. This second interview has me convinced, I'm just awaiting the inevitable now.
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Agree mate. I've wanted Pereira but from the second Martinez LEFT his job I knew it was him. Pereira has not yet and I feel he will sign the new deal if Martinez comes to us. Martinez I don't see as stupid enough to leave his job without being certain he was going to get another job, an the Malaga job looks far away for him now. We're just waiting for the confirmation now. Feel free to peove me wrong Pereira!
 
are there still rumours going on about Bilic? he might be our last, best hope of teaching Jelavic the offside rule..
 

Come on Kenwright, Ralf or Pereira - preferably Ralf. Just one of them - both better than Martinez. Both cost far less aswell.
 
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abelard said:
are there still rumours going on about Bilic? he might be our last, best hope of teaching Jelavic the offside rule..
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A different topic, but who ever the manager is who comes in, I think he needs a good clear out with our current squad of strikers. I'm sure there'll be disagreement over how many should be cleared out, but in an ideal world I'd say all of them.

Martinez style of play, and willingness to use younger players, see us splashing our cash on a few pacey strikers and a midfielder. I think Pereira would have had us buy a couple of midfielders and a striker or two. Moyes was getting pretty close to having a complete first 11, with some decent cover. The extra cash next season and two to four good signings could make a huge difference to us. The only problem is, every other team in the league will get the same cash injection too.

Who ever the new manager is who comes in, I think we have a small window of opportunity to get into that fourth placed spot. You always need luck with your signings, and injuries during the season, but for once we'll actually have a little bit of money to splash on completing our squad. Fingers crossed the new guy gets it right.
 

chicoazul said:
I'd add to them first mate. We know Jelavic can do it so maybe a new manager will kickstart him again. Victor has come on to the point where he's very effective, we just need someone else who's boss at slotting.
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Vic can run the channels, but Jelly can't though. I'm not sure either manager plays a style that would get the most out of Jelavic. What worries me most about him is he's clearly very dependant on his confidence being high, that makes me think he'll blow hot and cold from season to season. He might well be suited to easier leagues where he'll get more chances, and ultimately keep his confidence high.
 
maddison said:
A different topic, but who ever the manager is who comes in, I think he needs a good clear out with our current squad of strikers. I'm sure there'll be disagreement over how many should be cleared out, but in an ideal world I'd say all of them.

Martinez style of play, and willingness to use younger players, see us splashing our cash on a few pacey strikers and a midfielder. I think Pereira would have had us buy a couple of midfielders and a striker or two. Moyes was getting pretty close to having a complete first 11, with some decent cover. The extra cash next season and two to four good signings could make a huge difference to us. The only problem is, every other team in the league will get the same cash injection too.

Who ever the new manager is who comes in, I think we have a small window of opportunity to get into that fourth placed spot. You always need luck with your signings, and injuries during the season, but for once we'll actually have a little bit of money to splash on completing our squad. Fingers crossed the new guy gets it right.
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I'm not so sure about that clear out of strikers. I know there's doubt over Jelavic's season but can see him doing well under a new manager. Think Anichibe is good for hold up play but just isn't a goalscorer so maybe get rid of him. Moyes certainly didn't see anything in Vellios it seems so we will have to see what the new manager thinks of him and as far as Naismith is concerned I'd sell him for 2 mil to someone like Hull.

Do agree with that push for 4th though, were getting closer so lets hope a new manager doesn't slow this progression down and rather speeds it up and with some good quality signings and a manager that can really get our squad up for it this season and we may actually be in with a chance at something good this season.
 

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