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Moyes Potential Replacement

Who do you want? - being realistic

  • Roberto Martinez

    Votes: 221 13.8%
  • Vitor Pereira

    Votes: 594 37.2%
  • Neil Lennon

    Votes: 40 2.5%
  • Di Matteo

    Votes: 58 3.6%
  • Slaven Bilic

    Votes: 73 4.6%
  • Michael Laudrup

    Votes: 410 25.7%
  • Malky Mackay

    Votes: 33 2.1%
  • From within the club

    Votes: 60 3.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 108 6.8%

  • Total voters
    1,597
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It's hard to gather what the consensus is........ But do people want a long term manager? Like Moyes long, or are you happy to have a string of different managers for 2-3 years at a time?

Martinez is the only one I would classify as a realistic 'long term' solution...
 
I can't believe some people in this thread are actually saying they wouldn't mind Benitez! Seriously!?! Still f*cking bums the sh*t out of the other lot now even whilst he's in charge of Chelsea, and lest not forget the comments he made a few years back about us.
 

I can't believe some people in this thread are actually saying they wouldn't mind Benitez! Seriously!?! Still f*cking bums the sh*t out of the other lot now even whilst he's in charge of Chelsea, and lest not forget the comments he made a few years back about us.

I know, some people need to take their heads for a major wobble
 
Im not a fan of stats as you know, but if you look at it from BK's point of view, Martinez ticks boxes dosent he ? It is stiil in comparison to some, working to tight margins.

He's working under utterly awful conditions, much, much worse than Moyes ever has.

I think Whelan has basically budgeted for a wage bill of 35 million (which in Pl terms is peanuts, only reading less than pay that) and Martinez has to fund any wages above that by selling players.

Basically Martinez has to sell a good player for big money every year and replace him with someone cheaper to afford the wages he needs to buy and keep players good enough to keep them up. This year they'll go down simply because everyone else has increased their wages and bought in better players and wigan haven't been allowed to. This'll be their first year since Jewell where they're paying one of the three lowest wages in the league and Jewell was allowed to pay transfer fees without selling his best players first.

Under those conditions most managers would take them down.

The problem with this, from everton's point of view, is there's basically two ways to finacially overachieve. One is in the market, you buy players who are better than their clubs value them as and sell them for mroe than their worth. Martinez is, largely he has bought some stinkers, very good at that. But, his players tend to be overpaid. Their agents get them deals which make them the 15th best paid squad in the country and martinez gets performances out of them that leave then 16th. If his players aren't as good as martinez and their agents think they are, then you'd have to suggest that martinez isn't improving those players by coaching or tactics. Moyes was, our team was according to wages the tenth best in the league and finished 6th.

But, having said that, he'd be working with better players at everton so possibly his tactics would be much more effective with defenders who can actually defend.
 
The thing with Martinez for our wonderful board is that he's quietly jumped into line when asked to sell his star players and roll on. That would be THE attraction for them. And they'd also calculate with better players he could do a good job and play some decent stuff along the way. From Martinez's perspective: (cup final appearance or not) his stock after this season isn't going to get him a better opportunity than us. Whelan looking to squeeze a big compo package would be the stumbling block, I think (although what Martinez has in his contract regarding that is anyone's guess).

I wouldn't be desolate if we got Martinez, tbh.
 
He's working under utterly awful conditions, much, much worse than Moyes ever has.

I think Whelan has basically budgeted for a wage bill of 35 million (which in Pl terms is peanuts, only reading less than pay that) and Martinez has to fund any wages above that by selling players.

Basically Martinez has to sell a good player for big money every year and replace him with someone cheaper to afford the wages he needs to buy and keep players good enough to keep them up. This year they'll go down simply because everyone else has increased their wages and bought in better players and wigan haven't been allowed to. This'll be their first year since Jewell where they're paying one of the three lowest wages in the league and Jewell was allowed to pay transfer fees without selling his best players first.

Under those conditions most managers would take them down.

The problem with this, from everton's point of view, is there's basically two ways to finacially overachieve. One is in the market, you buy players who are better than their clubs value them as and sell them for mroe than their worth. Martinez is, largely he has bought some stinkers, very good at that. But, his players tend to be overpaid. Their agents get them deals which make them the 15th best paid squad in the country and martinez gets performances out of them that leave then 16th. If his players aren't as good as martinez and their agents think they are, then you'd have to suggest that martinez isn't improving those players by coaching or tactics. Moyes was, our team was according to wages the tenth best in the league and finished 6th.

But, having said that, he'd be working with better players at everton so possibly his tactics would be much more effective with defenders who can actually defend.

Said all I did earlier and better!
 

The thing with Martinez for our wonderful board is that he's quietly jumped into line when asked to sell his star players and roll on. That would be THE attraction for them. And they'd also calculate with better players he could do a good job and play some decent stuff along the way. From Martinez's perspective: (cup final appearance or not) his stock after this season isn't going to get him a better opportunity than us. Whelan looking to squeeze a big compo package would be the stumbling block, I think (although what Martinez has in his contract regarding that is anyone's guess).

I wouldn't be desolate if we got Martinez, tbh.

Yeah, I mean Martinez seems to put up with any **** you give him with a smile. The board will love him for that.
 
He's working under utterly awful conditions, much, much worse than Moyes ever has.

I think Whelan has basically budgeted for a wage bill of 35 million (which in Pl terms is peanuts, only reading less than pay that) and Martinez has to fund any wages above that by selling players.

Basically Martinez has to sell a good player for big money every year and replace him with someone cheaper to afford the wages he needs to buy and keep players good enough to keep them up. This year they'll go down simply because everyone else has increased their wages and bought in better players and wigan haven't been allowed to. This'll be their first year since Jewell where they're paying one of the three lowest wages in the league and Jewell was allowed to pay transfer fees without selling his best players first.

Under those conditions most managers would take them down.

The problem with this, from everton's point of view, is there's basically two ways to finacially overachieve. One is in the market, you buy players who are better than their clubs value them as and sell them for mroe than their worth. Martinez is, largely he has bought some stinkers, very good at that. But, his players tend to be overpaid. Their agents get them deals which make them the 15th best paid squad in the country and martinez gets performances out of them that leave then 16th. If his players aren't as good as martinez and their agents think they are, then you'd have to suggest that martinez isn't improving those players by coaching or tactics. Moyes was, our team was according to wages the tenth best in the league and finished 6th.

But, having said that, he'd be working with better players at everton so possibly his tactics would be much more effective with defenders who can actually defend.

The one point I'd argue is historically it's difficult to get players to sign for the typically less glamorous clubs of which Wigan are one. I remember Boksic getting 60k a week when it was unheard of to play for Boro.

I suspect that's a unique problem to them and one we wouldn't have at Everton.
 
The one point I'd argue is historically it's difficult to get players to sign for the typically less glamorous clubs of which Wigan are one. I remember Boksic getting 60k a week when it was unheard of to play for Boro.

I suspect that's a unique problem to them and one we wouldn't have at Everton.

That's true. He might have to overpay players just because it's wigan. Good point.
 

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