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Moyes Potential Replacement

Who do you want? - being realistic

  • Roberto Martinez

    Votes: 221 13.8%

  • Vitor Pereira

    Votes: 594 37.2%

  • Neil Lennon

    Votes: 40 2.5%

  • Di Matteo

    Votes: 58 3.6%

  • Slaven Bilic

    Votes: 73 4.6%

  • Michael Laudrup

    Votes: 410 25.7%

  • Malky Mackay

    Votes: 33 2.1%

  • From within the club

    Votes: 60 3.8%

  • Other

    Votes: 108 6.8%
  • Total voters
    1,597
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Petit said:
Really?

Who exactly?

Baines and Fellaini are going. Mirallas too probably, with bids for one or both of Coleman and Barkley likely from Utd. That leaves Osman, Distin, Heitinga, Jelavic, Anichebe, Pienaar, Naismith, Gibson, Oviedo. Of those only Gibson and maybe Distin is better than what he´s got at Wigan.
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Absolute made up rubbish.
 
harry said:
Good post mate. I said in another thread I thought his formation and tactics looked a little to much for the standard of player at wigan. He would be working with much better players at Everton.
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You serious Martinez tactics are way too fast for the players we have. Half of our first 11 are over 30
 
Petit said:
Really?

Who exactly?

Baines and Fellaini are going. Mirallas too probably, with bids for one or both of Coleman and Barkley likely from Utd. That leaves Osman, Distin, Heitinga, Jelavic, Anichebe, Pienaar, Naismith, Gibson, Oviedo. Of those only Gibson and maybe Distin is better than what he´s got at Wigan.
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Agree with Baines and Fellaini, but not the others. You are really saying that Barkley is not good enough for us but is for United, as he didn't really start for us did he (spurs and arsenal aside)
 
ijjysmith said:
Absolute made up rubbish.
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At this point, yes. But it's distinctly possible that Coleman's performances this season may have raised his profile considerably. Bids will start coming in for him eventually, and he could easily feel some loyalty for Moyes. And frankly, given our financial state, Felli leaving would not be a surprise. I don't think we'll see Baines leave however; he's older, and is a Blue fan himself.

Getting back on the subject of managers: Frank Rijkaard, anyone? Sacked by Saudi Arabia in January of this year, currently without a club....
 
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Petit said:
Really?

Who exactly?

Baines and Fellaini are going. Mirallas too probably, with bids for one or both of Coleman and Barkley likely from Utd. That leaves Osman, Distin, Heitinga, Jelavic, Anichebe, Pienaar, Naismith, Gibson, Oviedo. Of those only Gibson and maybe Distin is better than what he´s got at Wigan.
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Haha..
Colemans only played cos Hibberts been injured, and Moyes clearly dosent fancy Ross...
 

Great. We are established top six side people want us to appoint a manager whose only thing on his CV is an impending relegation. Pathetic.
 
Brennan said:
You don't need to have 'fast' players to play counter attacking football.

Having a man on the half way line when defending corners would be a start.
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Put Mirrallas up top for one. Or having him play off Vic or our 20million quid striker next season would speed us up.
 
Artetafan said:
He's working under utterly awful conditions, much, much worse than Moyes ever has.

I think Whelan has basically budgeted for a wage bill of 35 million (which in Pl terms is peanuts, only reading less than pay that) and Martinez has to fund any wages above that by selling players.

Basically Martinez has to sell a good player for big money every year and replace him with someone cheaper to afford the wages he needs to buy and keep players good enough to keep them up. This year they'll go down simply because everyone else has increased their wages and bought in better players and wigan haven't been allowed to. This'll be their first year since Jewell where they're paying one of the three lowest wages in the league and Jewell was allowed to pay transfer fees without selling his best players first.

Under those conditions most managers would take them down.

The problem with this, from everton's point of view, is there's basically two ways to finacially overachieve. One is in the market, you buy players who are better than their clubs value them as and sell them for mroe than their worth. Martinez is, largely he has bought some stinkers, very good at that. But, his players tend to be overpaid. Their agents get them deals which make them the 15th best paid squad in the country and martinez gets performances out of them that leave then 16th. If his players aren't as good as martinez and their agents think they are, then you'd have to suggest that martinez isn't improving those players by coaching or tactics. Moyes was, our team was according to wages the tenth best in the league and finished 6th.

But, having said that, he'd be working with better players at everton so possibly his tactics would be much more effective with defenders who can actually defend.
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I've defended moyes several times on the basis of having better players and more quality in the squad would of lead to more success, more attractive football, better use of squad/subs....

So based on that theroy and IMO moyes being a very good manager, Martinez if a very good manager should improve his results, defense, wins ect ect managing us with better players. We will still have the same problems as a club, hindering a new manager to take it on any further than moyes without that injection of investment tho...

My worry with Martinez and several other foreign managers is signing players for us. Every penny, every signing we make is crucial. Moyes has excelled in this area. Get these wrong and we will slide down the league eventually even if it takes 2/3 yrs. moyes has always found the players for little money that top4 teams would happily take off us...Can u trust Martinez with that?? I'm not sure and it worry's me.
 
Wat Tyler said:
Great. We are established top six side people want us to appoint a manager whose only thing on his CV is an impending relegation. Pathetic.
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If they lose two of the next three games, that'll be true.

If they win all three, he'll have never been relegated and have won more trophies than the guy managing Man U.
 
I'm not sure, but I think we get a healthy tranche of TV money this Summer, the bit which isn't determined by league performance?
 

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