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Moyes to Sunderland

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Kenshin said:
I haven't seen a manager so abject to failure as moyes this season. He just seemed to have never had his hopes up from day one and it's a little depressing to see. Can't imagine what it is like to be a fan!
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Thought he was rinus Michels when he got the united gig, and has utterly failed everywhere since.

Good.

Never has a man thought so highly of himself without any evidence to back it up.

Arrogant tosser
 
Just watched him then on sky trying to say Sunderland could go on a winning streak and get out of it,but his face and tone were telling a different story utter fraud how that man got 11years here is one of the greatest mysteries of football.
 
Paul w said:
Just watched him then on sky trying to say Sunderland could go on a winning streak and get out of it,but his face and tone were telling a different story utter fraud how that man got 11years here is one of the greatest mysteries of football.
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Because his first seven years here were a big success. It's easy to forget the position we were in before he arrived but to put it mildly was grim. He took a club that with the exception of the Joe Royle years had been awful and relegation fodder since the inception of the premier league. He turned the club around and gave us our self respect back thay had beem desimated after years of dross. He made us the best of the rest, gave us three of our four best league seasons of the Premier League era and reached a cup final (which he admittedly bottled). His following four years were clearly not as good as what had come before and it was obvious things were going stale but they never even got close to the miserable dross of the last two season's under the fraud who followed him here. Id happily take Moyes over Martinez any day, though I sudder at the thought of being stuck with one of them!
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
Because his first seven years here were a big success. It's easy to forget the position we were in before he arrived but to put it mildly was grim. He took a club that with the exception of the Joe Royle years had been awful and relegation fodder since the inception of the premier league. He turned the club around and gave us our self respect back thay had beem desimated after years of dross. He made us the best of the rest, gave us three of our four best league seasons of the Premier League era and reached a cup final (which he admittedly bottled). His following four years were clearly not as good as what had come before and it was obvious things were going stale but they never even got close to the miserable dross of the last two season's under the fraud who followed him here. Id happily take Moyes over Martinez any day, though I sudder at the thought of being stuck with one of them!
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Get out of 7 years of success what you on.
 

Gwladysstreetlad said:
Comparative success. Did you watch us at all in the 90's? He gave us three of our four best league seasons of the Premier League. Apart from Joe Royle he's our best manager of the Premier League era.
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If you measure success on winning f a get on with it, problem was fans like yourself got brainwashed.
 
Paul w said:
If you measure success on winning f a get on with it, problem was fans like yourself got brainwashed.
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I consider it COMPARITIVE success to the painful ten plus years that came before it. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? Did you watch us at all in the 90's because it was F'N awful. I've never claimed were Moyes had us was were I wanted us to be but it was a billion times better then the previous ten years. The problem with fans like you is that you've got your head stuck so far up your own arse you can't see the reality of the situation.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
I consider it COMPARITIVE success to the painful ten plus years that came before it. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? Did you watch us at all in the 90's because it was F'N awful. I've never claimed were Moyes had us was were I wanted us to be but it was a billion times better then the previous ten years. The problem with fans like you is that you've got your head stuck so far up your own arse you can't see the reality of the situation.
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You stupid did he comparitvly win a competition,nope was he a success nope,now go and make your mum a cup of tea and stop annoying me.
 

Paul w said:
You stupid did he comparitvly win a competition,nope was he a success nope,now go and make your mum a cup of tea and stop annoying me.
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Are you demented soft lad? Nobody is making you respond, so therefore nobody is 'bothering you'. Put me on ignore if you can't cope with somebody having a differing point of view to your own. We would of done a Villa without Moyes so that makes his early days a comparative (a word you clearly don't understand) success.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
Are you demented soft lad? Nobody is making you respond, so therefore nobody is 'bothering you'. Put me on ignore if you can't cope with somebody having a differing point of view to your own. We would of done a Villa without Moyes so that makes his early days a comparative (a word you clearly don't understand) success.
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Don't be a silly little man.
 
Paul w said:
You stupid did he comparitvly win a competition,nope was he a success nope,now go and make your mum a cup of tea and stop annoying me.
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Gwladysstreetlad said:
Are you demented soft lad? Nobody is making you respond, so therefore nobody is 'bothering you'. Put me on ignore if you can't cope with somebody having a differing point of view to your own. We would of done a Villa without Moyes so that makes his early days a comparative (a word you clearly don't understand) success.
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Either way lads, keep it civil. Ta.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
Are you demented soft lad? Nobody is making you respond, so therefore nobody is 'bothering you'. Put me on ignore if you can't cope with somebody having a differing point of view to your own. We would of done a Villa without Moyes so that makes his early days a comparative (a word you clearly don't understand) success.
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Moyes was an absolute God to Everton fans until 2009 or so. He reached his limit with us then and his ambition morphed into "knife to a gunfight" spiel. It worsened from there and reached a head when he was a helmet with United.

But he took us from relegation battlers to perennial top 7 stalwarts. We weren't successful by historical Everton standards but it's all about steps. And Moyes took us 3 or 4 big steps ahead of where we were before. Anyone who plays down that is being a bit silly and selective with their memories. There's a lot wrong with Moyes and I'd never want him back but I'm damn thankful we got him in all those years ago. Who knows where we'd be otherwise.
 

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