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Moyes to Sunderland

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6 points separate Sunderland from Leicester in 15th, crazy times. They play each other in April too, huge game. Would laugh my arse off if Leicester went down and Moyes kept the Mackems up.

For me, though, I'll go with Hull, Palace and Boro to go down.
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
Him getting sacked in the tunnel at Goodison lanced the boil for me
I like Sunderland, so I'd be happy to see him pull this out of the fire and keep them up
Sorry, I know it's an unpopular sentiment these days, but David Moyes actually made me want to go to watch Everton again after years of hating it
For the first time in years I was able to look up and dream instead of worrying about what was below He gave me some semblance of self respect after years of embarrassment

Yes, he hit a glass ceiling and couldn't get past it

Yes, he over stayed his welcome

And yes, he got too big for his britches when he went to Man United, and I consequently enjoyed his demise

But despite that, I really do feel that as time goes on Moyes' tenure will be considered in a generally more positive light. Just look at where Aston Villa are right now because they didn't have a David Moyes

Yeah, we're better than being "Plucky Little Everton" these days, but there was a time when that was an upgrade over "Soon to be relegated Everton", and it's wrong to say otherwise

I do wonder if we'd have Moshiri here with a possible new stadium on the horizon if Moyes hadn't steadied the ship. In some ways, I doubt it
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The self respect sword cuts both ways: yes, we retained our PL status under him which was almost under annual threat before he arrived; but he also undermined that self respect by continually demeaning Everton's status (at first he didn't - he asked on arrival why Everton couldn't go on and win things, but that quickly disappeared and the self interest of presenting Everton as a basket case that were lucky to have him was the message hammered home for the best part of a decade). It was a sales technique that took us to anonymity - many enjoyed being in that place in the same way as a dog that's been kicked on a daily basis welcomes a big couch to hide behind and their terrible owner locked out of the house for good, but it was a place that eroded our status when we stayed there for too long. THAT was why the knife to a gunfight statement crystallised all the simmering opposition to Moyes' reign...something masked by his final decision to jump ship. He got a great send off and he got it as much through our relief he was going as much as any salute to his meagre achievements.
 
jackyboy said:
Getting beat in the semi hurt more than the final in 09 for me. That was just a complete bottlejob against possibly the weakest Liverpool side since 2000. At least in the final we were missing our three key players.
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I agree, it felt like we just waited for them to beat us in that game rather than we go and try and win the game ourselves. That was a horrible game to watch in all honesty, think reading in hindsight that it was the switch of Fellaini and Cahill which caused the sudden change in defence. Carroll had a nightmare against the Belgian all the first half as well sadly.
 
davek said:
The self respect sword cuts both ways: yes, we retained our PL status under him which was almost under annual threat before he arrived; but he also undermined that self respect by continually demeaning Everton's status (at first he didn't - he asked on arrival why Everton couldn't go on and win things, but that quickly disappeared and the self interest of presenting Everton as a basket case that were lucky to have him was the message hammered home for the best part of a decade). It was a sales technique that took us to anonymity - many enjoyed being in that place in the same way as a dog that's been kicked on a daily basis welcomes a big couch to hide behind and their terrible owner locked out of the house for good, but it was a place that eroded our status when we stayed there for too long. THAT was why the knife to a gunfight statement crystallised all the simmering opposition to Moyes' reign...something masked by his final decision to jump ship. He got a great send off and he got it as much through our relief he was going as much as any salute to his meagre achievements.
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It's 2 tales of the good and the bad (swerved the obvs)
Slight generalisation true
For both BK & DM, the 'good' they did got us to where we where and their 'bad' traits stopped us from doing better.
I'm over both Moyes and boys pen bill. My main concern for the purposes of this thread is I hope S'land stay up

Oh and I have Tenner on leics to go down too
 



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Jagielka next?
 
Allowing this joker to take charge of the West Ham and Chelsea games sums up his tenure at Goodison, mugs of the highest order.

As soon as it came out that he'd gone behind the clubs back he should of been placed on immediate gardening leave.

Moshiri needs to chop chop in ridding the club of Kenwright and Elstone!
 

Jags?, Pienaar, Lescott, Osman?, Hibbert?, Anichebe... Janushaj..

is he running out of ideas - or just money? Who's next - Vaughan? Howard? Giggs?
 

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