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Mr bates v the Post Office

Rita_Poon said:
"of all the scandals, out of all the corruption, the thick as pig ship publics imagination spurred on by a frickin tv show and it's me caught in the crossfire. oh lordy why me..."
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A shame the 'Boris' Dramatisation didn't portray him as the complete scumbag he is, then again those that worship at his alter do not get angry knowing he wanted them dead so I doubt anything could sway them.
 
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arch stanton said:
Yes but if the cps were (wrongly) told the evidence was sound, you can’t blame them for coming to a wrong decision. The cps are not there to reinvestigate but to review
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They are the ultimate oversight organisation.

Just as if one of the biggest cases of the time should be left to the P.O. despite massive doubts about what they were doing amongst MPs and the media.

It's literally incredible that the CPS with powers to intervene didn't do so to the good of those accused. In fact, what they did was to reinforce what the P.O. concluded.

That was on Starmer's watch. He tries to make political capital of his time as DPP, now he should face the music over what he did in this - now celebrated - case.
 

Nope, that’ll
davek said:
They are the ultimate oversight organisation.

Just as if one of the biggest cases of the time should be left to the P.O. despite massive doubts about what they were doing amongst MPs and the media.

It's literally incredible that the CPS with powers to intervene didn't do so to the good of those accused. In fact, what they did was to reinforce what the P.O. concluded.

That was on Starmer's watch. He tries to make political capital of his time as DPP, now he should face the music over what he did in this - now celebrated - case.
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nope, that’ll be the attorney general.
 
Massive get out for Vennells , obviously been contacted and basically told it’s in her best interest to give back her CBE before she faces the shame of it being stripped off her…. Disgusting
 
I would keep posting those little red cards through Paula Vennell’s postbox saying she had a package to collect from a depot miles away. Imagine her excitement, surprise and then disgust when she unravels a parcel containing a human turd with her face on it… beautiful.
 

Iana said:
Isn’t one of the complications with most of these cases is that the accused pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of false accounting to avoid being prosecuted for theft and the real chance of going to prison.
If that’s the case does the legal system work slightly differently and becomes more of a processing of cases because a guilty plea has been entered?
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Yes. To pardon a person who has pleaded guilty could be a judicial nightmare because they have not been found guilty by a jury - they've admitted guilt.

There is also a concern that a blanket pardon may excuse the small minority who actually did commit fraud.
gonetomorrow said:
Questions: Is Horizon still in use in the Post Office?
Is Horizon used by other large organisations such as banks, credit card companies, tax authorities etc?
Are Fujitsu and the employees involved going to get a kicking over all this?
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Horizon was abandoned by the DWP from the outset because they knew it was rubbish.
 
davek said:
It was one of THE major cases of the day. I doubt very much that they needed to be informed about these cases. Hundreds were being pursued by the P.O. on Starmer's watch. And the CPS did have the power to intervene and quash these convictions at any time.

Rather, cases were placed in the in-tray at the CPS and the convictions were regarded by them as safe. The CPS are currently looking at just how many of them were referred to them. There's more to come on this.
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Dave, please go and read the guidance. For a private prosecution, it is stated:

the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) has power under section 6(2) POA 1985 to take over private prosecutions; in some cases, the private prosecutor must seek the consent of the Attorney General or of the DPP before the commencement of proceedings. The private prosecutor is not under a duty to inform the CPS that a private prosecution has commenced...

Where the CPS receives a specific request to intervene in a private prosecution, the CPS should contact the private prosecutor and invite them to supply a complete set of the papers that they intend to use to support their prosecution. The CPS should request any information which undermines the prosecution or assists the defence with their case. The private prosecutor should also be asked for details of any complaint made to the police and the result of any police investigation.
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So the CPS have the right to intervene when informed, but it does not mean the CPS must intervene. For public prosecutions, they will have been involved.
 
PhilM said:
Yes. To pardon a person who has pleaded guilty could be a judicial nightmare because they have not been found guilty by a jury - they've admitted guilt.

There is also a concern that a blanket pardon may excuse the small minority who actually did commit fraud.

Horizon was abandoned by the DWP from the outset because they knew it was rubbish.
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Which shows how bad it must be, DWP are not known for making good decisions on anything
 

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